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Marshall
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Marshall, why do you think the man who committed the Berryessa stabbings wrote Vallejo on the car door when the first crime was committed in Benicia? The newspapers never mentioned they were committed in Vallejo. Zodiac never mentioned Benicia in any communication and neither did the person who wrote the car door message.

On your website, numerous newspapers reported LHR (the first crime) as being in Vallejo: https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … r-articles

Not one of those articles mentioned a crime committed in Vallejo. If you can find one I will apologize.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 2:08 am
Richard Grinell
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When detailing his first two crimes of Lake Herman Rd and Blue Rock Springs to Jack Stiltz in the Debut of Zodiac letter, the Zodiac Killer wrote "In answer to your asking for more details about the good times I have had in Vallejo". He detailed the Benicia crime under the banner of Vallejo, just like the writer on the car door.

Do you think that cuts against the narrative that Zodiac was a Vallejo resident?

I think his wording in the same letter, the 40 minutes and a sprinkling of geographic profiling points me to Vallejo, but I understand the point of your question. "Good times in Vallejo" is more in reference to his murders, than inadvertently giving away his area of residence.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 2:12 am
Richard Grinell
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https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 2:15 am
Richard Grinell
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I said "in Vallejo" not "near Vallejo". Benicia is near Vallejo.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 2:17 am
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I think his wording in the same letter, the 40 minutes and a sprinkling of geographic profiling points me to Vallejo, but I understand the point of your question. "Good times in Vallejo" is more in reference to his murders, than inadvertently giving away his area of residence.

Not so much that. Let me give you an example of my area. Las Vegas and Henderson border each other and have no defined border. One side of an intersection is Las Vegas, the other is Henderson. If my mom visits from Arizona, she isn’t going to differentiate between Las Vegas and Henderson…it’s all Las Vegas to her. However, my wife would say, "I have to go to Henderson, today" because she lives in Las Vegas and would be specific. So, could the fact that Zodiac conflates Benicia and Vallejo point to him being an outsider to Vallejo or Benicia (possibly from San Francisco or some surrounding city)?

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 2:18 am
Richard Grinell
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Well, I don’t know about everybody else Vegas Lawyer, but I’ve lived in Coventry, England for 58 years and I couldn’t tell you where it exactly begins and ends. Do you think that most Vallejoans know exactly their jurisdictional line on the east, west, north and south of a compass. Zodiac could have been one of those, especially close to the jurisdictional line as was Lake Herman Road.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 2:24 am
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OK, so my argument is invalid because he says "killing tools." Yet, he is clearly only referencing guns, sooo…

Anyway. This letter explicitly states that he’s "angry" about "lies" from the police, that is the entire context of the "killing tools" statement. The guns were part of this.
https://zodiackiller.com/BombLetter1.html

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 2:30 am
Marshall
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I said "in Vallejo" not "near Vallejo". Benicia is near Vallejo.

When the San Francisco Chronicle was referencing Vallejo, and the kids were from Vallejo, and the crime scene was very near Vallejo, and the second Zodiac attack was in Vallejo, I think it’s reasonable that an admirer of Zodiac would refer to Vallejo.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 3:03 am
Marshall
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OK, so my argument is invalid because he says "killing tools." Yet, he is clearly only referencing guns, sooo…

So maybe guns were his only killing tools. He didn’t use hand grenades and he doesn’t mention them either. :)

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 3:08 am
Richard Grinell
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I said "in Vallejo" not "near Vallejo". Benicia is near Vallejo.

When the San Francisco Chronicle was referencing Vallejo, and the kids were from Vallejo, and the crime scene was very near Vallejo, and the second Zodiac attack was in Vallejo, I think it’s reasonable that an admirer of Zodiac would refer to Vallejo.

The articles also mentioned Benicia 14 times (including a headline), and said "Sergeant Lunblad said the young couple had attended a pre-Christmas concert and then parked on a dirt road off Lake Herman Road, ten miles east of here near Benicia".

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 3:15 am
Marshall
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I said "in Vallejo" not "near Vallejo". Benicia is near Vallejo.

When the San Francisco Chronicle was referencing Vallejo, and the kids were from Vallejo, and the crime scene was very near Vallejo, and the second Zodiac attack was in Vallejo, I think it’s reasonable that an admirer of Zodiac would refer to Vallejo.

The articles also mentioned Benicia 14 times (including a headline), and said "Sergeant Lunblad said the young couple had attended a pre-Christmas concert and then parked on a dirt road off Lake Herman Road, ten miles east of here near Benicia".

Well now I am confused. David and Betty Lou were parked NEAR Benecia? Wouldn’t that mean the article is saying they were in Vallejo then?

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 3:21 am
Richard Grinell
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So, the Lake Berryessa murderer made an error and thought Vallejo was the site of the first murders, just like Zodiac, who stated about "the good times he had in Vallejo" when referring to the first two crimes, which included Lake Herman Road. Therefore the Berryessa attacker and the author of the Debut of Zodiac letter have one thing in common.

Well now I am confused. David and Betty Lou were parked NEAR Benecia? Wouldn’t that mean the article is saying they were in Vallejo then?

Well now I am confused. Friends quizzed in slaying of teen pair near Vallejo? Wouldn’t that mean the article is saying they were in Benicia then?

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 3:22 am
Marshall
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So, the Lake Berryessa murderer made an error and thought Vallejo was the site of the first murders, just like Zodiac, who stated about "the good times he had in Vallejo" when referring to the first two crimes, which included Lake Herman Road. Therefore the Berryessa attacker and the author of the Debut of Zodiac letter have one thing in common.

Well now I am confused. David and Betty Lou were parked NEAR Benecia? Wouldn’t that mean the article is saying they were in Vallejo then?

Well now I am confused. Friends quizzed in slaying of teen pair near Vallejo? Wouldn’t that mean the article is saying they were in Benicia then?

Yup, Stabber Z, who wasn’t Shooter Z, was getting his information from newspapers and you have provided examples that could go either way. Near Vallejo, near Benicia. Since the second Shooter Z crime was unambiguously Vallejo, perhaps Stabber Z chose to simplify, specifying the one most generally accurate location.

In the past, you have correctly noted that it’s silly to say what Z should’ve done. But what you seem to be saying here is that he should’ve written:

Benicia
12-20-68
Vallejo
7-5-69 (it was actually a few minutes past midnight – Shooter Z would’ve known that because he was there)
Lake Berryessa
Sept 27-69 – 6:30

By the way, when was the Unveiled letter first made public?

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 3:42 am
Richard Grinell
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If you are talking about the Debut letter, August 4th.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/

“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 10:39 am
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Zodiac is clearly rebutting the notion that LE could zero in on him through weapon tracing, the description, prints…guns leave a trail of red tape unless you acquire them "under the counter." So there was zero reason for him to be discussing knives (or water pistols, or Cream of Wheat) in this context. (That you mention a "knife ban" is kind of funny, are you from the USA?)

Let’s scrutinize Zodiac’s wording in other cases: Zodiac didn’t say he shot Faraday with a point blank shot to the head, he said he sprayed them with bullets. He also didn’t give the name of the park where he shot Ferrin and Mageau, said he drove away slowly when Mageau reported squealing tires, and it’s highly debatable whether Washington and Cherry is "by" Washington and Maple.

 
Posted : April 30, 2021 4:17 pm
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