Does it look like a few spots of perhaps blood on that bible?

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Does it look like a few spots of perhaps blood on that bible?

Could be on the left side. Is that a bible or a prayer book? Not that it really matters.

Does it look like a few spots of perhaps blood on that bible?

Could be on the left side. Is that a bible or a prayer book? Not that it really matters.

It is a daily prayer book that I have called a bible. On the front it shows "Baby Bible & Prayer Book". It was published Sept 12th 1935. If this was Cheri Jo’s , it could have been handed down to her by her mother? There are many stains on it that could be blood? One spot in particular was dropped from above it is in a circle with what is called fingers around it , it has a sheen to it and it’s thick! I have not touched that spot in case it is valuable DNA? How would her blood get on,it unless she knew she was going to die and pulled it out to pray? I can’t help but tear up thinking about what happened to her!

I don’t think she would have had time to pull out a prayer book, but it could have happened differently than he claimed, we only have what he said about it to go on. Seems like it’s missing it’s cover.

I don’t think she would have had time to pull out a prayer book, but it could have happened differently than he claimed, we only have what he said about it to go on. Seems like it’s missing it’s cover.

Yes the front and back cover were missing when I found it , as well as the page that shows who it belonged to. And very true, we don’t know what really happened? If that is her blood on it, it had to be out in the open. It may have dropped out of her hand during the struggle, before he stabbed her? She had plenty of time to grab it from her purse while they were walking and after he told her it’s about time for you to die.

I don’t think she would have had time to pull out a prayer book, but it could have happened differently than he claimed, we only have what he said about it to go on. Seems like it’s missing it’s cover.

Yes the front and back cover were missing when I found it , as well as the page that shows who it belonged to. And very true, we don’t know what really happened? If that is her blood on it, it had to be out in the open. It may have dropped out of her hand during the struggle, before he stabbed her? She had plenty of time to grab it from her purse while they were walking and after he told her it’s about time for you to die.

It looks like a remnant of the cover on the far left, like what was left when it was torn off, with a stain left by what would have been on the cover, if it is blood, and the main part of the substance on what is left of the cover.

Also, where it says essential prayers, looks like a square shaped stain. The edges of it kind of look like a stamp. Maybe there was a stamp on the inside of the cover? I don’t know why but that square stain seems odd.

I don’t think she would have had time to pull out a prayer book, but it could have happened differently than he claimed, we only have what he said about it to go on. Seems like it’s missing it’s cover.

Yes the front and back cover were missing when I found it , as well as the page that shows who it belonged to. And very true, we don’t know what really happened? If that is her blood on it, it had to be out in the open. It may have dropped out of her hand during the struggle, before he stabbed her? She had plenty of time to grab it from her purse while they were walking and after he told her it’s about time for you to die.

It looks like a remnant of the cover on the far left, like what was left when it was torn off, with a stain left by what would have been on the cover, if it is blood, and the main part of the substance on what is left of the cover.

Also, where it says essential prayers, looks like a square shaped stain. The edges of it kind of look like a stamp. Maybe there was a stamp on the inside of the cover? I don’t know why but that square stain seems odd.

You have a good eye, I just got it out again to get another look at it and the square you see is a piece of scotch tape. Whoever had it,must have tried to keep the page together with the tape. There should be some good DNA under that tape!

Yes the front and back cover were missing when I found it , as well as the page that shows who it belonged to. And very true, we don’t know what really happened? If that is her blood on it, it had to be out in the open. It may have dropped out of her hand during the struggle, before he stabbed her? She had plenty of time to grab it from her purse while they were walking and after he told her it’s about time for you to die.

It looks like a remnant of the cover on the far left, like what was left when it was torn off, with a stain left by what would have been on the cover, if it is blood, and the main part of the substance on what is left of the cover.

Also, where it says essential prayers, looks like a square shaped stain. The edges of it kind of look like a stamp. Maybe there was a stamp on the inside of the cover? I don’t know why but that square stain seems odd.

You have a good eye, I just got it out again to get another look at it and the square you see is a piece of scotch tape. Whoever had it,must have tried to keep the page together with the tape. There should be some good DNA under that tape!

Oh, ok, scotch tape. I saw that jagged edge and it looked like maybe a stamp but I couldn’t figure why a stamp would have been there, but tape makes sense.

I saw the word Jewels on it and googled Jewel prayer book. I found a few but they were all very old, printed in the 1930’s or before. They’re called Jewels of Prayer Catholic Prayer Book

It’s possible that was a family heirloom, but I remember seeing miniature bibles when I was a kid back in the ’60’s, I think I have one around here somewhere, so yours might be from the 60’s too. The pages in those old ones were all yellowed.

The date on the book shows Sept 12th 1935 was when it was made. On the back of the book it has a bit of the black cover,its so thin and stuck to the last page, I can’t tell if it was leather or not? At first when I saw it, I thought it looked like someone lit it on fire? The black line that you see on the front is a huge staple that holds the book together.

The date on the book shows Sept 12th 1935 was when it was made. On the back of the book it has a bit of the black cover,its so thin and stuck to the last page, I can’t tell if it was leather or not? At first when I saw it, I thought it looked like someone lit it on fire? The black line that you see on the front is a huge staple that holds the book together.

1935 huh? So it is old. The ones I saw had a black cover on them, not sure if it was leather.

I thought maybe with that name Jewel we could find out where it was handed out. I was hoping it could be tied to a specific church or organization. I think these were printed by the hundreds and handed out for free by various churches and organizations anyway.

Come to think of it though, 1935 might just be the first time it was copyrighted, or whatever they do with books. I’ve seen that before with books.

Hartnell saying some idiot was wearing a bizarre costume, who then wrote on his car door does not prove it was Shooter Z. Anybody could put on a hood and bib and write that stuff on the car door – no way it had to be Shooter Z. If he wanted to make sure nobody could deny it was him, why not write details in another letter, since it worked so well for LHR and BRS?

It is notable that Zodiac didn’t send a standalone letter claiming LB and providing details. I’ve often wondered if he did send such a letter, but it was held back by police for some reason.

Pure speculation: Zodiac wrote a letter claiming the LB attack and providing details, similar to the letters he sent claiming LHR and BRS. The police held back Zodiac’s LB letter from publication. The lack of publication enraged Zodiac.

Subsequently, two weeks later, Z killed Paul Stine. This time he took a piece of bloody shirt, possibly to prove he was the killer, and possibly to provide a sensational element so the papers would be more to likely to publish his next letter. That might also explain why he shifted his hunting grounds from the bay area to the city of San Francisco, which would be further provocation for the Chronicle and Examiner to publish his letters.

Bryan Hartnell stated that the assailant wore a black hooded mask made of a cloth material, covering his entire head and shoulders, reaching down to the waist. On the front of the four cornered mask at the chest area was a white circle (3 x 3 inches in diameter) and a symmetrical cross. He would further elaborate on the design of the crosshairs, as well as later in the 2007 Zodiac documentary, stating "It looked like it was made with a machine or with some degree of care- it wasn’t just scrawled on with white paint. It was proportional".

Why would a copycat killer meticulously sew on perfectly symmetrical crosshairs onto a carefully crafted costume, when he had no intention of leaving anybody alive to report it? If the crime had been committed by a copycat, then imitating the Zodiac Killer’s writing on the car door and subsequent phone call should have sufficed. He could simply have disguised his features with a mask, balaclava or plain hood.

The Zodiac Killer had murdered three and seriously injured a fourth person at this juncture, and had bathed in the spotlight of numerous newspaper articles in his name. This must have fed his egotistical nature, and in his own mind, elevated him to another level of self-aggrandizement. The idea that he would then carefully craft a costume befitting of such an infamous and feared villain, doesn’t seem that far-fetched. Would a copycat spend this much time creating an elaborate costume bedecked with crosshairs, when nobody was going to be left alive to report their observations to police? It would be a pointless waste of time. A copycat would have just reproduced the handwriting on the car door and made the payphone call. The Zodiac Killer, on the other hand, had every reason to adorn himself with a costume befitting of the man he thought he was.

Considering that even though he had a loaded gun, he restrained and stabbed his victims to death (or tried to), it isn’t impossible that the costume was to:
1) Hide his face while playing up his character, in case a witness did see the crime being committed.
2) Same thing, but from his victims, in case they survived, considering his intention to only attack them by knife (for whatever reason of his). A survivor was seen as a possibility, and it was more the attack itself that was important than making sure they died, since he could have otherwise made sure of that with his gun. The outcome was exactly that, so we can’t say it was an unwarranted calculation on his part.

There’s many things that could have gone wrong, and he likely understood that, but if everything had gone wrong except his ability to escape, at least the "Zodiac look" would have been one thing that would have been a success.

And like others have said, just as a sick fantasy it would have been enough.

This a good point, on previous occasions he’d gunned people down in the dark and then left in haste. On this occasion he knew that he’d be spending a lot of time with the victims, exposed in broad daylight. He may well have worn the hood in case anyone else saw him, or in case a victim survived. Previous victims had survived and given a description. Imagine if he hadn’t worn the hood, we’d have a precise description.

That was when I could smell the hood, I threw that part in the garbage as soon as I got home!

Sandy, I thought you said you still have the hood?

If only I can find another Napa Det. to take me seriously , I have blood evidence from that crime scene,to prove I am telling the truth! I believe that the wrist watch that was left with the costume, was Cecelia’s! A tiny Catholic bible was also put there that day, that I now believe belonged to Cheri Jo Bates. She was the only Catholic victim who was a possible Zodiac victim. Cecelia’s DNA should still be on that Timex watch. I wrote to Riverside and let them know that I have the tiny bible, they never replied. Perhaps her brother Michael would recognize it? Riverside PD still have their blinders on for their B.B suspect!

So you have the LB bib, and now you also have Cecelia’s watch, and even CJB’s Bible? Do you actually have these things in your possession where you could get them tested, or are they all still out of reach, packed away somewhere or whatever?

What, no Stine’s glasses, keys or wallet?

I’m disappointed…