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(@stitchmallone)
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That name has nothing to do with hockey or a hockey puck.

"Friar Puck" is a play on words of the character Friar Tuck from the Robin Hood stories.

Puck (aka Robin Goodfellow) is a mischief-maker from Old English forklore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_(folklore )

That is where the etymology of the phrase "a puckish sense of humor" comes from.

But it makes sense a hockey fan would use the name.

Yes it does make sense for hockey fans. This was 1955 and very few hockey Fans at the time. Still to this day hockey is not consider a major sport. It was about Robin Hood! Ps.and I’m a hockey fan and Go Pens!

 
Posted : April 3, 2020 9:42 am
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Feb 2nd 2006 the Napa Valley Register had a obituary for Lawrence A Collision. He was one of the coaches who started the junior Ice hockey program at Berkeley Iceland.

In 1969 he met Charles ( Sparky) Schutz who had just built the world class ice rink in Santa Rosa. His favorite tournaments was "Snoopy’s Senior world hockey tournament".

This is that same ice rink where Maureen Sterling and Yvonne Weber were last seen before being murdered Feb 4th 1972. (Both girls were only 12 yrs old)

Sandy, I had to do a quick search on the Lawrence A Collision (Collison) you found. His daughter Caree was shot twice in the head and killed in 1966, along with her friend, Susan, by Dennis Stanworth. They were both 15. :cry:

Also, looking at Larry’s petition for naturalization, he is listed as 5’9 and having a scar on his right index finger. I know the controversy involving a scar (EVB), but thought it was interesting.

 
Posted : April 3, 2020 11:37 am
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That name has nothing to do with hockey or a hockey puck.

"Friar Puck" is a play on words of the character Friar Tuck from the Robin Hood stories.

Puck (aka Robin Goodfellow) is a mischief-maker from Old English forklore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_(folklore )

That is where the etymology of the phrase "a puckish sense of humor" comes from.

This is a great find by Essa but been saying it’s about Robin Hood and more searches thinking otherwise ain’t going to add anything. Heck the Robin Hood TV show came out in 1955 the time these letters was sent. I still think Zodiac sent these letters!

I’m keeping an open mind about the use of the name Friar Puck. Fuseli, Robin Hood and a hockey reference, in that order, are my 3 guesses so far. The Friar Puck letters are very current and relevant, quoting George Gobel, which was on at the time, and reference to Mikado which had just been on stage in the area, and a circular about parenting that had just been delivered, all leads to the theory that he was in a current state of mind. And with the Robin Hood show being popular at the time, that would make sense.

 
Posted : April 3, 2020 11:41 am
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Essa again great find and think Zodiac wrote them. Always good to keep a open mind and I do. Keeping doing what you are doing if you want to spend the time searching. Hope you find more! I would try to look up George Gobel more and see what you can find on that. Good luck on whatever you do!

 
Posted : April 3, 2020 12:54 pm
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Essa again great find and think Zodiac wrote them. Always good to keep a open mind and I do. Keeping doing what you are doing if you want to spend the time searching. Hope you find more! I would try to look up George Gobel more and see what you can find on that. Good luck on whatever you do!

Thank you! I’ve been busy trying to source that George Gobel quote but no luck so far!

 
Posted : April 3, 2020 1:06 pm
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Finding these letters to the editor has kept me researching around the St. Helena area for now. Has anyone here ever researched the Gibson Ranch that was owned by Robert H Gibson (passed away in 1960)? I ended up digging a little into the ranch after seeing in an old newspaper article that the Gibson family had purchased a large horse van from Wild Bill Elliott. (Printed in the March 4, 1954 edition of The St. Helena Star)

As I was digging, I found out that Robert’s father William H Gibson had owned Gibson Art Company aka Gibson Greeting Card Company in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Robert also graduated from Culver Military Academy, as did Tim Holt, but likely did not attend at same time due to their age difference.

I am in the infancy of researching this, so please feel to add to or to make any corrections.

 
Posted : April 9, 2020 9:12 am
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I believe looking into the St Helena area is a good idea. I still feel that there is a good possibility, Zodiac spotted Bryan and Cecelia at the rummage sale on Sept 27th 1969 and followed them up to Lake Berryessa. He could have lost track of them and looked first in the area where the three teen girls were sunbathing, then went further south and saw Bryans car. He had to know it wasn’t some fishermans car but a young couple ,to walk that far to the water’s edge. The voice could have seemed familiar to Bryan, because he heard it at the rummage sale?
The young boy who was hitchhiking in St Helena a day or so after the Lake B crime and was picked up by a older very strange man, who was seen peeping in the boys window later that evening , could have been Zodiac? That is also the area where the film crew were for the TV movie "Hunters Are For Killing", starring Burt Reynolds in Oct 1969. I was working at a winery there during that time and was asked to be in the movie while they filmed inside of the winery. I was one of many other extras,but got a "key" extra part. Zodiac being a fan of movies, could have been there watching it being filmed for all I know? Some parts were filmed in Santa Rosa where Burt and the other actors stayed.
A stalker started stalking Burt at that time, he was never caught that I know of?

 
Posted : April 11, 2020 9:29 pm
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Here is another letter to the editor from the same writer. This one is from April 28, 1955. St. Helena Star.

This is really interesting and if it’s not a joke letter, it fits in with part of my theory about Z’s background. Great find!

 
Posted : July 19, 2020 2:45 am
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As another commenter pointed out, Puck is an English mythology character. I think more significantly though, Puck was a character in Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream. So we have someone making Mikado and Shakespeare references in letters…

 
Posted : July 21, 2020 12:01 am
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I could have swore the first letter had been posted on here before. I know I have seen it before, but I don’t recall where or when. But I do remember there being a debate whether or not it was Zodiac. Pretty interesting stuff.

A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….

 
Posted : July 21, 2020 10:54 am
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On the topic of origins of the name ‘Friar Puck’, I happened upon a related theme when casually reading about Jack the Ripper on Wikipedia. I had recently read this thread, so the name of this publication stood out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper#/media/File:JacktheRipperPuck.jpg

Puck was a political satirical magazine published until 1918, famous for it’s distinctive cartoons. Possibly a bit early but, like other publications such as Punch, it was recognized for its modern historical value and has been well-preserved. It would have been difficult but not impossible to pick up or see many of these cartoon in the 1950s. I can easily see someone like Zodiac liking this kind of swipe at the political classes.

There are many, many examples available to look through online so I did a cursory search and found:

1) A recurring character of a Friar, although he is not named specifically.
example: https://www.alamy.com/easter-puck-1901-image352800536.html

2) A Gilbert & Sullivan cartoon by Puck, of the Pirates of Penzance.
example: http://operetta-research-center.org/pirates-penzance-slave-duty-comic-opera-2-acts-w-s-gilbert-music-arthur-sullivan/

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Posted : August 17, 2020 4:36 pm
BDHolland
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On the topic of origins of the name ‘Friar Puck’, I happened upon a related theme when casually reading about Jack the Ripper on Wikipedia. I had recently read this thread, so the name of this publication stood out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper#/media/File:JacktheRipperPuck.jpg

Puck was a political satirical magazine published until 1918, famous for it’s distinctive cartoons. Possibly a bit early but, like other publications such as Punch, it was recognized for its modern historical value and has been well-preserved. It would have been difficult but not impossible to pick up or see many of these cartoon in the 1950s. I can easily see someone like Zodiac liking this kind of swipe at the political classes.

There are many, many examples available to look through online so I did a cursory search and found:

1) A recurring character of a Friar, although he is not named specifically.
example: https://www.alamy.com/easter-puck-1901-image352800536.html

2) A Gilbert & Sullivan cartoon by Puck, of the Pirates of Penzance.
example: http://operetta-research-center.org/pirates-penzance-slave-duty-comic-opera-2-acts-w-s-gilbert-music-arthur-sullivan/

This reminds me. I was looking at a painting of Robin Goodfellow and I noticed the artist was Fuseli.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fuseli

Fuseli is a major artist of the supernatural, Shakespeare, biblical stories and historical homicides. Nearly everyone has seen something he has done one time or another.

The incubus was a topic of his.

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