Zodiac and the riddler are amphibious marines

The post suggests KKK imperial wizard

Zodiac were’s Black KKK hood with iron cross

Minute men crosshairs or sniper crosshairs

Here’s an article showing Camp Pendleton Marine Base Officers allowing/provoking known klan members in 1977 a year after transmission.
https://www.nytimes.com/1977/01/09/arch … hears.html

This is starting to look like the Klan for sure. Messing with Melvin Belli makes sense as well since he was a lawyer for the Black Panthers.

And don’t forget the Sam Bowers christmass card that Seagull found that looks like the 1990 christmass card that may have been sent by Zodiac.

Sam Bowers?

Could you provide a link?

Thanks.

Soze

Soze, it’s the second post here-

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1756&hilit=Bower&start=10

Thank you. I have not seen that before. Interesting.

And welcome back.

Soze

I remember it now! Do you think the ad might have something to do with your suspect because of Tenorio being killed?

Assuming "deep real estate" not only means trouble but conviction/prison, we should check out such cases shortly previous or after the ad was published? Most likely it was during some trial or shortly after a conviction of a person, who could have been in contact with Z (e.g. former classmate etc.)?

Another point: Assuming that most of KKK (‘Imperial Wizard’) was active in Louisiana, with Z having a drawl he might have had his origins there somewhere?

QT

why wouldn’t "deep real estate" = dead ("six feet under")?

why wouldn’t "deep real estate" = dead ("six feet under")?

Could be. I rather associated it with ‘real deep trouble’ but indeed, deep real estate could be a grave or also a cellar..

QT

why wouldn’t "deep real estate" = dead ("six feet under")?

Could be. I rather associated it with ‘real deep trouble’ but indeed, deep real estate could be a grave or also a cellar..

QT

"your partner is in deep real estate. you’re next." – it seems like an obvious threat – a reference to the partner being dead and buried, especially with the "you’re next". i just don’t see a deeper or more elusive meaning than it being a death threat.

I thought it could also be some ad from police to ‘wake’ Zodiac up a bit. If they had been waiting for some next letter, this could have been a way to do it..

QT

QT, When I went on one of Tom V’s TFMs about 5 years ago, a retired detective who had worked on the case met us at the Stine scene. He did a Q&A after speaking for a few minutes about the investigation. I specifically asked him about the personal ad, his face was blank and he said he had never heard of it. I had the same thought as you, maybe LE placed the ad to draw out Zodiac.

Another thought I had was that the initials RA could stand for Ron Allen, ALA’s brother and maybe he placed the ad for some reason. Ron knew his brother was a suspect.

I doubt we will ever know for sure who placed the ad.

It would be important to know the deadline (at that time) to place an ad. Was it even possible to place an ad the same day that it ran? Was it even possible to place an ad the day before it ran? By determining that we will know whether it was even possible for it to relate to Manalli’s death. If it was possible that still is a long way from narrowing it down to referring to Manalli’s death.

Although Imperial Wizard is a reference to the KKK it could also refer to anyone in charge. For that matter, Zodiac could also be a nickname or an inside joke. It seems highly unlikely that someone would take out a personal ad such as this contacting Zodiac for real and referencing a death without an expectation of a knock on his door from the police. The person placing the ad would surely be able to contact a real co-conspirator by less obvious means than using the word Zodiac.

Is there any indication that the police followed up on this? Did the person who created the ad have to fill out a form indicating his name and address, etc. (fake or real) for the newspaper? Was the ad paid for by cash, check, credit card? I can guess that the answer to all these questions is that no one knows but it’s still worth asking. Perhaps someone who worked in the classified department at the newspaper at that time could answer the protocol questions. Even so, I would guess that the records were destroyed long ago.

These are good questions. My sense is back then someone could have called up and placed the ad the day before by reading it to the classifieds phone clerk, and given an address for billing.

These are good questions. My sense is back then someone could have called up and placed the ad the day before by reading it to the classifieds phone clerk, and given an address for billing.

That’s entirely possible but it raises the question as to whether someone who had given their name and address for billing would have used the word Zodiac to contact someone complicit in murder. Of course, I suppose they could have given the wrong name and address. Still, I don’t see the reason for someone to have to use the word Zodiac to contact an accomplice through a classified ad. Surely, a more discreet code would have been created to communicate. It seems that this method would have been far higher risk than some other methods of contact. I am inclined to think that it was a joke, a bad joke but a joke, nevertheless.

Hi everyone,

This is my first post here but i’ve lurked around the forums for over a decade. I’m happy to finally contribute something useful. I’ve been looking into this ad, and the other strange ads taken out around the case (The Zodius ad following the Robison family murders, the Betty Lou Classified ad, and this one) and reading Lyndon Lafferty’s book. It’s not really discussed in this particular thread, but in Lafferty’s book he accuses a psychiatrist named Richard H. Adler of Oakland of placing the Imperial Wizard ad. Lafferty claims that Adler was Grant’s wife’s psychiatrist, and that Dr. Adler placed the ad in an attempt to offer therapy to Z. I did some background research and was delighted to find that Dr. Adler is still around at 81 years old, so I wrote him a letter. I asked whether he placed the Imperial Wizard ad and his response was "No. I know nothing about it." I wrote a follow-up email asking more questions and have not received a reply. So there we have Richard Adler on record denying writing the ad, just in-case it comes up again. I’m not surprised because Lafferty’s story is a little far-fetched. There’s still the mystery of why Lafferty accused Dr. Adler in the first place, and i’m not sure we’ll get the answer to that unless Dr. Adler feels comfortable talking more.

Hi everyone,

This is my first post here but i’ve lurked around the forums for over a decade. I’m happy to finally contribute something useful. I’ve been looking into this ad, and the other strange ads taken out around the case (The Zodius ad following the Robison family murders, the Betty Lou Classified ad, and this one) and reading Lyndon Lafferty’s book. It’s not really discussed in this particular thread, but in Lafferty’s book he accuses a psychiatrist named Richard H. Adler of Oakland of placing the Imperial Wizard ad. Lafferty claims that Adler was Grant’s wife’s psychiatrist, and that Dr. Adler placed the ad in an attempt to offer therapy to Z. I did some background research and was delighted to find that Dr. Adler is still around at 81 years old, so I wrote him a letter. I asked whether he placed the Imperial Wizard ad and his response was "No. I know nothing about it." I wrote a follow-up email asking more questions and have not received a reply. So there we have Richard Adler on record denying writing the ad, just in-case it comes up again. I’m not surprised because Lafferty’s story is a little far-fetched. There’s still the mystery of why Lafferty accused Dr. Adler in the first place, and i’m not sure we’ll get the answer to that unless Dr. Adler feels comfortable talking more.

Sounds like Lafferty was just grasping at straws. Kinda cool his initials are RA though. One thing I have thought possible is that Zodiac was an MK Ultra test subject, as was Manalli, and that RA and the Imperial Wizard were in charge of the project, with the murders basically being tests to see if their experiment to create an assassin was actually working. This personal ad seems like RA lost track of the killer once their experiments were finished and that this was his way of trying to make contact, for whatever reason. If this is the case then RA and/or the Imperial Wizard must have kept tabs on Manalli to know that he was dead. The official report was that Manalli fell asleep at the wheel, but what if his vehicle had been tampered with and his death was no accident? Your partner is in deep real estate definitely sounds like "your partner is dead." Manalli is believed to have been involved with the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders a few years after Zodiac’s last confirmed kill. Makes me wonder if he and Zodiac were partners in those killings as well.

I have a strange feeling that a psychiatrist named Dr. Meyer A. Zeligs was the Imperial Wizard. He lived at Washington & Cherry (where he could hide out and watch the Stine murder) and his office was very close to where Stine picked up his killer. Although I have not seen evidence that Zeligs had anything to do with the MK Ultra shit, I have read some things that make me believe that he very well could have been. It’s something to think about anyways.