Do you think that the news paper itself had something to do with all this?

Wasn’t the three part cipher sent to the "times" the "examiner" and the "chronicle"? Do you think that zodiac was telling us that it was "time to examine the chronicle?"

We know zodiac was addicted to newspapers…

That has to say something about his psychology.

So you really make no connections with the minotaur myth? Strange, I can see many.

I haven’t looked into it and it’s been years since I read it.

"clews" was used in the old detective/comic books frequently and I see no signs of Greek Mythology in Zodiac’s writings, but then, I’ve never looked for any.

Do you think that the news paper itself had something to do with all this?

Wasn’t the three part cipher sent to the "times" the "examiner" and the "chronicle"? Do you think that zodiac was telling us that it was "time to examine the chronicle?"

We know zodiac was addicted to newspapers…

That has to say something about his psychology.

I’ve seen people posit that Zodiac had at one time worked for a newspaper, so I see it as a distinct possibility that he had a grudge against them and the police.

Do you think that the news paper itself had something to do with all this?

Wasn’t the three part cipher sent to the "times" the "examiner" and the "chronicle"? Do you think that zodiac was telling us that it was "time to examine the chronicle?"

We know zodiac was addicted to newspapers…

That has to say something about his psychology.

I’ve seen people posit that Zodiac had at one time worked for a newspaper, so I see it as a distinct possibility that he had a grudge against them and the police.

…I’m not sure about it, but I think the chronicle has more to do with this than most would assume.

zodiac knows the articles well, and must have been a frequent (or obsessive) reader of the newspaper…

It would also make sense if he worked for the paper…

There is not anything here substantial enough to draw any conclusions from, but it is something I will keep in mind.

Regardless, I think the apparent obsession with the news was significant.

…I’m not sure about it, but I think the chronicle has more to do with this than most would assume.

zodiac knows the articles well, and must have been a frequent (or obsessive) reader of the newspaper…

That would mean he lived in their area of circulation, and might have well had a subscription.

…I’m not sure about it, but I think the chronicle has more to do with this than most would assume.

zodiac knows the articles well, and must have been a frequent (or obsessive) reader of the newspaper…

That would mean he lived in their area of circulation, and might have well had a subscription.

Back in the days there was no internet so papers were a much more significant information source. Zodiac comes off as someone who is versed in many different topics, so I wouldn’t be surprised that he really did read newspapers obsessively to feed his thirst for knowledge.

Perhaps he, as an avid reader of newspapers, had written to them several times offering his opinions on different matters, but they would never be published. Thus, after he had killed and felt comfortable, maybe it was natural for him to write to the papers as the first thing. If the Sla, Count Marco and Badlands letters are authentic, that would strongly point to the direction that he may have written as a regular reader before.

Back in the days there was no internet so papers were a much more significant information source.

Yeah, pretty much everyone had a subscription to the newspaper back in the day.

Zodiac comes off as someone who is versed in many different topics, so I wouldn’t be surprised that he really did read newspapers obsessively to feed his thirst for knowledge.

Yeah, I have always been an avid newspaper reader. I used to read two or three a day. The Library at my school everyday would have several local newspapers available in the library. I mention that as it would sort of apply to Ross Sullivan.

Perhaps he, as an avid reader of newspapers, had written to them several times offering his opinions on different matters, but they would never be published. Thus, after he had killed and felt comfortable, maybe it was natural for him to write to the papers as the first thing. If the Sla, Count Marco and Badlands letters are authentic, that would strongly point to the direction that he may have written as a regular reader before.

There’s a good chance he had normal op-ed letters published in the local newspapers. I’ve considered looking through the archives of some to see if any letters to the editors seem to have a Zodiac style to them, many op-ed letters usually had a name with them as most would not print them without a name.

I actually think the minotuar myth was significant, and the the use of the misspelling "clew" referenced this.

Was zodiac the "minotuar", with his intense lust for blood? So much so that sacrifices were offered? Were the "clews" a map for a "Theseus" to find him and "stop the sacrifices?"

He would talk about false "clews", false lines of thread to follow, though this doesn’t mean there were not any real ones…

FWIW, Steve Hodel’s book "Most Evil" posits that his father – George Hill Hodel, Jr. – was Zodiac. There were some interesting ideas in the book, but overall I wasn’t convinced.

Hodel’s first book, "Black Dahlia Avenger," proposed that his father murdered the Black Dahlia. I found that book very convincing, though I should confess that I’m not very knowledgeable about Dahlia.

George Hodel, Jr. was friends with artists like Man Ray who were part of the surrealist movement. The Minotaur was strongly associated with the surrealist movement and gave name to the most prestigious surrealist magazine, the Minotaure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaure

Part of Steve Hodel’s theory is that the Dahlia’s bisected body was posed to resemble Man Ray’s painting, The Minotaur (Ray was a friend of George Hodel):

I won’t post them here, but you can Google crime scene pictures of the Black Dahlia (careful, some of them are disturbing and they’re all NSFW) that resemble the painting.

Do you think that the news paper itself had something to do with all this?

Wasn’t the three part cipher sent to the "times" the "examiner" and the "chronicle"? Do you think that zodiac was telling us that it was "time to examine the chronicle?"

Again, I’m not convinced by Steve Hodel’s theory that his father was Zodiac, but I thought one piece of evidence was noteworthy. His father wrote a dozen or so feature pieces for the Chronicle in the 1930s. He also worked as a newspaper reporter for the Los Angeles Record when he was very young – in his teens or early twenties.

Zodiac was likely military, I feel he was a police officer.

I was thinking today that Zodiac might be a Police Officer, not because of the recent developments in the ER/ONS/Golden State Killer case, but because of the fact that the letters stopped once Arthur Leigh Allen was sent to prison, then 6 months after his release the "I’m back" letter is sent. I don’t think it’s ALA for multiple reasons, but I think the Zodiac was trying to throw the suspicion on ALA.

Who else would know of the police’s interest in ALA as a suspect, and the only parties I can think of that would know about ALA’s release from prison was his family and friends (he didn’t have many of either), prison staff, other prisoners, lawyers, judges etc. and law enforcement. I can’t find any information on ALA’s release being publicised in the media.

It would also explain why ALA is such a strong, strong, strong, suspect. Almost like he was found to be a suspect by the police, including Zodiac, and then Zodiac fit the narrative around the police suspicion of ALA.

I do have to say, the "here it is" black dahlia letter for me seems very Z
I know it’s a huge stretch but what the hey

I do have to say, the "here it is" black dahlia letter for me seems very Z
I know it’s a huge stretch but what the hey

He was probably inspired by the Black Dahlia letters.

·Zodiac appears to be very intelligent.

I think it shows enough knowledge to disable the ignition, but yeah, not sure why he mentions the battery. However, this could be because in reality he knew a good deal about cars, and wanted us to think that he did not… the car from lake berryessa that zodiac was said to be driving had two different tires on it, two different sizes with different tread, this is odd, and may imply that zodiac had intentionally altered the tires of his vehicle, which would require a small amount of auto knowledge… any way, it’s hard to say.

I’m starting to think that the knowledge of cars and mechanics is related to his link to the military links, in particular, the fact he had "wing walker" shoes, which were really only worn by aircraft mechanics and/or engineers. His knowledge about mechanics extends to the ideas about the bombs. The FBI agreed that the ingredients and method supplied in one of his letters could actually work.

One last point is that he used a Luger pistol. Doing a little research on a Luger, they are quite complicated weapons with a lot of moving parts, which would require maintenance AND any replacement parts would have to be sourced at very specific places AND/OR manufactured by Z as the Luger parts are quite hard to come by. I think the Luger is interesting. It’s a very niche weapon, it has obvious links to the Nazi officers and therefore it could be considered prestigious. This Nazi idea could extend to his penchant with symbols and "Zodiac Buttons", the idea of the crowd being attached to a symbol that represents a figurehead just like the Swastika. I don’t think he’s a Nazi sympathiser or white supremacist at all, but I do think there is a connection, a grandfather or family member maybe, OR maybe he was just interested or respected the way they operated, which would tie back to his knowledge of mechanics and engineering, being interested in the way systems work.

I’m under the impression that he didn’t use a luger but ammo characteristic to the luger. I’m under the impression that he likely used a browning.

Soze

I’m under the impression that he didn’t use a luger but ammo characteristic to the luger. I’m under the impression that he likely used a browning.

Soze

Right, yeh you’re right upon reading, apparently, Luger could refer to the ammunition . . . When he referenced "shot with a 9mm Luger" in reference to Darlene Ferrin And Mike Mageau, he could have been referring to the ammo, not the gun, but also, maybe not? Z shot 5 shots initially at Mike and Darlene, walked away then fired 4 more, the Luger has a capacity of 8 shots, but he could have swapped the mag.

And maybe Mike was right about a silencer, and maybe the fact that Mike didn’t die made the Zodiac switch weapons and not use a silencer again?

I dunno, I’m just stirring the pot haha.