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(@monarch)
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Sorry I can’t get the link to play.

Just search youtube "the hunt for the zodiac killer" and click on "season 1 episode 1"
and skip to the 7 minute mark.

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 5:25 pm
 Khys
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That’s interesting. I wonder what changed.

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 6:05 pm
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That’s interesting. I wonder what changed.

Tom Voigt has said RPD knows a lot more about the case than what is publicly known.
He said we only see the tip of the iceberg whereas RPD sees the whole iceberg.

Makes me wonder what all they really know ?

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 7:16 pm
 Khys
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I’m very curious as to what was in her notebooks. Surely they could trace her movements if she really studied that night and was taking notes? Also interested in where the books were located that she checked out. Seems to me RPD could easily divulge that information without compromising their investigation.

At any rate, the timeline of her assault is screwy even if she was in the library the whole time and no one noticed her, perhaps especially if she was in the main library the whole time.

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 7:27 pm
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Below is a link to a website that has photos of the RCC library taken in 1966.

It’s a very small library with very few places someone could "hide" but I think it’s
possible she could have sat in a corner and not be noticed, it’s also possible students
did remember seeing her and reported it to the investigators and that info never made
it to the local news media (I doubt if everyone in the library that night were interviewed
by news reporters) and as we all know RPD is very tight lipped so maybe she was seen and
we just never heard about it.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … p?album=97

It was a small library. I read that students saw her outside the library at 5:30ish. Others saw her driving up to the library at 6:15ish. If she checked out the books at 6ish and immediately left, where did she go for the remaining 3.5-4 hours. If she stayed in the library, why was she basically invisible for 3 hours? If she left just after 6p, she evidently didn’t leave in her car. Did she leave with someone else, who later brought her back to her car? I also wonder why she would go down a dark alley with a stranger when her friends reported that she was afraid of the dark. This leads me to believe that she likely knew her killer. The Confession Letter reads like the author was an acquaintance, but not a close friend.

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 9:37 pm
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Below is a link to a website that has photos of the RCC library taken in 1966.

It’s a very small library with very few places someone could "hide" but I think it’s
possible she could have sat in a corner and not be noticed, it’s also possible students
did remember seeing her and reported it to the investigators and that info never made
it to the local news media (I doubt if everyone in the library that night were interviewed
by news reporters) and as we all know RPD is very tight lipped so maybe she was seen and
we just never heard about it.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … p?album=97

It was a small library. I read that students saw her outside the library at 5:30ish. Others saw her driving up to the library at 6:15ish. If she checked out the books at 6ish and immediately left, where did she go for the remaining 3.5-4 hours. If she stayed in the library, why was she basically invisible for 3 hours? If she left just after 6p, she evidently didn’t leave in her car. Did she leave with someone else, who later brought her back to her car? I also wonder why she would go down a dark alley with a stranger when her friends reported that she was afraid of the dark. This leads me to believe that she likely knew her killer. The Confession Letter reads like the author was an acquaintance, but not a close friend.

All valid points, I guess it hinges on Det. Shumway’s statement about Cheri Jo remaining in the library until
"shortly after 9" if this is correct then the sequence of events probably went down pretty much as the
conventional theory would dictate, but if Shumway was being misleading for some reason then there could
be any number of possible scenarios.

As far as Cheri walking into that dark alley goes if she went by her own free will (and it seems she did) then the
only reason I can think of is she thought she was going to use the phone in one of those vacant houses.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 3:54 pm
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Below is a link to a website that has photos of the RCC library taken in 1966.

It’s a very small library with very few places someone could "hide" but I think it’s
possible she could have sat in a corner and not be noticed, it’s also possible students
did remember seeing her and reported it to the investigators and that info never made
it to the local news media (I doubt if everyone in the library that night were interviewed
by news reporters) and as we all know RPD is very tight lipped so maybe she was seen and
we just never heard about it.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … p?album=97

It was a small library. I read that students saw her outside the library at 5:30ish. Others saw her driving up to the library at 6:15ish. If she checked out the books at 6ish and immediately left, where did she go for the remaining 3.5-4 hours. If she stayed in the library, why was she basically invisible for 3 hours? If she left just after 6p, she evidently didn’t leave in her car. Did she leave with someone else, who later brought her back to her car? I also wonder why she would go down a dark alley with a stranger when her friends reported that she was afraid of the dark. This leads me to believe that she likely knew her killer. The Confession Letter reads like the author was an acquaintance, but not a close friend.

All valid points, I guess it hinges on Det. Shumway’s statement about Cheri Jo remaining in the library until
"shortly after 9" if this is correct then the sequence of events probably went down pretty much as the
conventional theory would dictate, but if Shumway was being misleading for some reason then there could
be any number of possible scenarios.

As far as Cheri walking into that dark alley goes if she went by her own free will (and it seems she did) then the
only reason I can think of is she thought she was going to use the phone in one of those vacant houses.

Personally I think this shows the probable reason.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 4:01 pm
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Can you be a little more specific ?

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 4:17 pm
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Can you be a little more specific ?

Within 5 feet from where her body was found was used for parking.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 4:28 pm
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Can you be a little more specific ?

Within 5 feet from where her body was found was used for parking.

I think that’s unlikely because her keys were in the ignition of her car, the windows rolled down,
doors unlocked and library books on the seat, if she accepted a ride home she would have taken
all that with her and locked her car, I think this indicates she was going to return to her car.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 5:02 pm
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Can you be a little more specific ?

Within 5 feet from where her body was found was used for parking.

I think that’s unlikely because her keys were in the ignition of her car, the windows rolled down,
doors unlocked and library books on the seat, if she accepted a ride home she would have taken
all that with her and locked her car, I think this indicates she was going to return to her car.

I’m not saying she accepted a ride home. She must have had a reason to go down the alley, the houses either side where vacant, owned by RCC and were used to store literature. These were not open on Sundays, we also have somebody in the location of the murder at C9.30. There could have multiple reasons why parking in that locale could have been pertinent.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 5:14 pm
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RPD was gung ho about a Zodiac connection in 1969-1970. Then, it seemed to make an abrupt about face, focusing on "Bob Barnett." I wonder if RPD compared the prints from CBJ’s car to the Napa/PH prints and found no match. If so, that would explain why RPD dramatically shifted gears away from Zodiac. If that wasn’t it, I’m not sure why RPD dropped the Zodiac angle of the investigation so quickly. Does anyone have any current intel on what RPD might be thinking regarding the case?

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 3:14 am
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RPD was gung ho about a Zodiac connection in 1969-1970. Then, it seemed to make an abrupt about face, focusing on "Bob Barnett."

That wasn’t until Bud Kelly took over in the mid 1980s.

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 3:48 am
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RPD was gung ho about a Zodiac connection in 1969-1970. Then, it seemed to make an abrupt about face, focusing on "Bob Barnett."

That wasn’t until Bud Kelly took over in the mid 1980s.

Do you have any insight into why Kelly took the investigation in that direction?

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 3:52 am
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If it happened around 6 pm, how would that change the lighting situation in the alley at that time of year?

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 4:25 am
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