Quote: Tom Voigt: “Both the Riverside confession and Zodiac’s letter use the word “twitch” and misspell it as “twich” but let’s ignore that because Zodiac didn’t use the word “die”. Unfortunately Voigt you are wrong again, it was “twiched” – can’t you read. If you are the arbiter of facts for the whole Zodiac community Voigt, maybe you can correct the February 14th 1974 attribution you have for the SLA letter on your site, or are you incapable of reading the FBI files detailing the postmark. Do you understand the difference between “received at the Chronicle” and the postmark date. Do you believe in “Just the Facts” only when it suits. Maybe you should correct the order of your July 31st ciphers. Or maybe stop peddling lies about somebody admitting to hoaxing the Pines card, when I have twice corrected you. Would you like me to continue. Until you have everything correct on your site, why don’t you act like a mature individual and accept even you have flaws. I am pointing this out, so brown nose sycophants like VT Squire, who, incidentally, has never made a mistake, starts growing a pair and challenges you on your errors, rather than just everybody else – something he will never do. Why don’t you mention me colouring in photographs for the 100th time, or are you incapable of changing the record. You are a boring, repetetive individual, who seemingly has never made a mistake in his life. It is about time you grew up and dropped the playground histrionics, designed exclusively for the brown-nosers on your forum. Insulting people incessantly and running them down in order to boost your own self-importance, just goes to show what an insecure individual you really are. I know none of what I have said will make a difference, because you seem incapable of self-reflection. Shame really. So carry on playing up to the schoolchildren on your forum.
Quote Tom Voigt: “This is a recent find of mine that I am particularly proud of. Did you know there was an escape from Deer Lodge Prison in Montana just days prior to the Zodiac’s Lake Berryessa attack of Sept. 27, 1969?”Bullshit. This was discovered years ago (2013 or before). More errors by you.
Quote Tom Voigt on November 24th 2021: “Grinnell is basing this on the notion that the Belli letter had never ever been reproduced in the media prior to the 1978 letter arriving. Which, of course, is nonsense”. This coming from a man who complains Redditors can’t spell names. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Quote Tom Voigt November 28th 2021: “The Belli letter (at least the top part) was definitely published prior to 1978. I’ll keep an eye out for an example”. I’m still waiting.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
Quote Tom Voigt: “This is a recent find of mine that I am particularly proud of. Did you know there was an escape from Deer Lodge Prison in Montana just days prior to the Zodiac’s Lake Berryessa attack of Sept. 27, 1969?”Bullshit. This was discovered years ago (2013 or before). More errors by you.
Quote Tom Voigt on November 24th 2021: “Grinnell is basing this on the notion that the Belli letter had never ever been reproduced in the media prior to the 1978 letter arriving. Which, of course, is nonsense”. This coming from a man who complains Redditors can’t spell names. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Quote Tom Voigt November 28th 2021: “The Belli letter (at least the top part) was definitely published prior to 1978. I’ll keep an eye out for an example”. I’m still waiting.
Adults don’t need to call names to get their point across. Allow me to demonstrate.
Let’s have a source for your Berryessa claim, please.
Spelling correctly the names of the Zodiac victims is important. Spelling correctly your name or my name is not. And I’ve never said otherwise, so you’ll need to search elsewhere for hypocrisy.
If you’re bored waiting for me to prove you wrong about the Belli letter, perhaps you can pass the time by altering more police photos. Or perhaps there’s a fake Zodiac letter you can authenticate?
Which brings me to the SLA letter and the allegedly incorrect postmark date. Have someone credible send me the information and I’ll have a look. I don’t trust anyone who passes along altered police photos, or “authenticates” letters they’ve never even seen.
@tomvoigt Spelling a persons name correctly is the courteous thing to do. It is called manners. You call articles nonsense before you can even provide the evidence for your claim that they are. I’m still waiting. Also, you are factually wrong claiming letters are fake. Maybe you should look into handwriting analysis, the Daubert Standard and what document examiners are allowed to claim in the US court system. But of course you won’t – you just keep harping on about authenticated lists and handwriting analysis from 50+ years ago. I won’t address the photo thing again, because you have just proved my point again. And about the SLA letter – maybe the two FBI files stating February 3rd 1974 is not credible enough for you. I don’t trust people who pass ambiguous DNA claims on a forum, where several hundred comments later, nobody has deciphered what you meant. Maybe you should have asked this anonymous source to decipher what he or she was telling you at the time. That would seem the logical approach.
“Deer Lodge Prison is approximately 1,000 miles from Lake Berryessa, and no guards were reported to have been killed in the relative timeline. The suggestion of such was almost certainly designed to instill fear and compliance from his victims. However, there was still a possibility that the killer may have inadvertently let something slip that was relevant to his history, and more importantly the police investigation. On Sunday September 21st 1969, only days before the Lake Berryessa attack, two convicts, Carl Pierce (27) and Ronald Woods (22) made an escape bid by cutting through the wire fence at the rear of Rothe Hall, Deer Lodge Prison, Montana. This newsworthy story may have had an influence on the Zodiac Killer’s strategy when he entered into dialogue with Bryan Hartnell, or may well have just been something that he recalled on the fly to divert investigators away from his real identity”. Dated 2014. https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/beyond-the-gates Hope you can investigate these files using your eyes.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
I’m quite sure I can find an instance of you misspelling my last name, but I don’t consider myself important enough to get offended by it.
Regarding Berryessa: You linked to a page with a ridiculous colourized version of my copyrighted material. Not wasting my time.
@tomvoigt OK
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
@tomvoigt OK
Unless I misheard, you claimed the front of Zodiac’s Times-Herald envelope had 13 words? It did not.
@tomvoigt In total (reverse & front). Words (counting names).
If I mispoke and said front – we all make mistakes.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
@tomvoigt In total (reverse & front). Words (counting names).
If I mispoke and said front – we all make mistakes.
*Everything needed to fake that “car” letter was in the public domain.
*It was hoaxed by a woman.
@tomvoigt But the envelope in 1969 wasn’t. Unless you can prove otherwise.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
@tomvoigt But the envelope in 1969 wasn’t. Unless you can prove otherwise.
It had indeed been published prior to the “The Car” letter. but it wouldn’t have mattered anyway because the hoaxer had inside police contacts because of who she was. In any event, the culprit was identified and I’m sure you can figure out who she was.
My favorite Zodiac suspect was operating his own movie theater at the time. If that “The Car” letter was legit it would work fine for me, but I digress.
@tomvoigt Can you send me or post the information so I can look at it? That is a reasonable request.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
Oh, one more thing. Do you accept the 1986 letter had not been publicly released by October 28th 1987? If so, this woman had to have hoaxed this letter also, because I can prove that both the 1986 and 1987 letters were written by the same author.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
@richard-grinell I’m not going to throw her under the bus by naming her, she’s still a source of mine.
@tomvoigt All I am saying, if this woman hoaxed the 1987 letter, then she must have hoaxed the 1986 letter, if the 1986 letter was unreleased by 1987.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
@richard-grinell She was quite prolific. The Graysmith book set her off.
