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ace ventura
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those are good pertainant questions ,the story is much older and longer than 2006 and I am starting to work backwards to give you the info .I am also not wanting to post too much about it for every one to see ,ie (the guy that still has it )
I have 75+ books if you want one I’ll give it for nearly cost to members here ,say $9 .50 includes postage ( 2.75) in US
PM me for how to git it . the book can be seen in google books The Police Shall Never Catch Me or keyword zodiac killer
188p. with pics, 45k words, pocket sized paperback
The finding of the satchel is the tip of the iceberg in events of this book 100% non-fiction
As for someone asked where the driver licenses wer from that I looked at that day, I am pretty sure one was Illinios and another oregon.
I contacted the RCC school paper but they quit replying and the schools PD in 2012 Riverside Cal. PD was briefly interested a couple calls .
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I posted the picture at the other site as it was a bit more glitzy, but re post it here if you want .
the artist of the sketch said the engraving was likely done/carved on linolium tile . the color was lead gray as the ink faded over that many years . but know it must have been blue green by the overapplied paste ink by the 7
also the cover was 3/8 " larger than the paper inside he thought it would be used for art sketching only
Cheri was drawing demonstration figures for the math equations with a paragraph above them.
Yes morf about the follow up on my guy, but I will PM that to you .

 
Posted : September 24, 2014 10:45 pm
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Thanks Ace and I will pm you re. purchasing a copy of your book!

In thinking more about the watch, wouldn’t you think that the RPD would have asked Cheri’s father about it? Sorry if this has been discussed already elsewhere which it probably has. If not, then her brother (who is still alive imo) might remember if she had such a watch.

Her brother might also recall details about the tablet!

Like someone else said somewhere, Zodiac could also have planted the watch. I’m puzzling over his going back with someone and searching for it with a flashlight IIRC. It seems that he could easily have found it if that was what he was looking for. Maybe he was looking for something else that was lost and did find it. It could have been something such as an identification bracelet with his name on it (those were commonly worn back then) or a business card with his name on it. Or it may have been this tablet and math book!

 
Posted : September 24, 2014 11:27 pm
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I know of some of police tactics they sure are not going to tell me everything / much they would know or find out about it but at some point might send a detective to question me further .

yes I would hope members of her family would see it and then remember it .
if you blow up the photo of her in the library the big one I think you can see the cover of the top book that see is lloking down on is over sized from the paper inside as i said it was . i think she is looking at the back cover in the pic .

 
Posted : September 25, 2014 9:30 pm
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Yes, it does look like the right size to be the tablet.

Besides her family members, perhaps some of her friends and classmates would remember it. She also worked at a bank and the people there might remember it or something about it. The problem is that of course many of these people have probably passed away or moved away and may not be reading about the Zodiac here at all.

I think the easiest thing for any detective to do would be to get Cheri’s transcripts from her high school as well as RCC if they haven’t already done that. The courses she took, especially electives, might shed some new light on matters. A detective could probably access the personnel lists of all the schools and then locate any appropriate teachers, such as any art teachers. They could probably also examine that Timex watch and tell what color the paint was.

Just because Bob Barnett or Bennett or whatever his name was lived behind his parents and one of their houses had recently been painted does not at all prove a watch with paint belonged to him. It might but then it could also belong to someone else. Simply match the paint! I don’t see why that hasn’t been done. Maybe it has and they aren’t saying but imo that would be pretty good evidence tying it to the BB suspect if there was a match.

I still don’t see how two people searching with flashlights for the watch could not have found it.

Ace, do you think there would be any way to determine just where that tablet was manufactured? The business office at RCC should have old records of their accounts as well as the names associated with the bookstore if it was contracted out. OTOH Cheri could have purchased the tablet at some other place I guess and had the printing done by someone she knew. I wonder if the schools had any print shops and if her any of her friends had access to them?

Re. the evidence you found, how did you happen to remember the names (Bryan Hartnell) if you weren’t thinking of Zodiac at the time? My heart would have been pounding out of my chest with fear whoever left it would be coming right back, especially after realizing there was blood, the hair and a fingernail on it.

I’m really curious about the drivers licenses and of course can imagine that the police might be as well and you are wise to be careful and just tell them what you know. I’m also interested in buying your book but have never used paypal and so I will have to check into it. Thanks.

Did the drivers licenses belong to the same person?

 
Posted : September 25, 2014 10:01 pm
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personally..i have not so much bought into 2 dudes with flashlights looking for the watch..just my take

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 3:01 am
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the upper block lettering said Scholast they have been in business since late 20’s . I am pretty sure I emailed them back a year ago but I will look again asking them thanks for reminding me. now that I have a quallity pic for them to view I might get a response .
another way to prove I saw it, I think is that I studied her 3 rope gold necklace carefully it had a unique clasp I can still describe it , that kind of thing is patented in the business and cataloged there would still be a blueprint of it and companies that used it . it is likely someone would remember where it was purchased
I was a novice gold buyer briefly in the 80’s and know heavy gold plate, gold filled ,solid gold pretty quick
her coin purse was gold metal framed blue -green pearl colored patend leather , I think that was originally the color of the printing on this tablet but had faded to lead color when I saw it.
BTW her purse and necklace , gold hair barret were in near mint condition .like they were brand new the necklace had a section where the gold was gone maybe from the blood .

about the being scared no I was only confused until the very last ,what i saw around a bend at the very last , then I was terrified . man I wish I had taken the satchel, but something i know now very recently, It best I didn’t
and no I did not remember the Hartnel name although I think I studied his license
and all the stacked licenses were different people maybe 125- 170 in number I estimate ,some of the plastic licenses were recent
Pay pal is easy just need a bank account /debt card

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 5:35 am
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Ace, I think the necklace you describe could be the one Cheri was wearing in the picture taken in the library but I could only see two strands (the third one could have been hidden by the collar on her dress).

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 6:30 am
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the upper block lettering said Scholast they have been in business since late 20’s . I am pretty sure I emailed them back a year ago but I will look again asking them thanks for reminding me. now that I have a quallity pic for them to view I might get a response .
another way to prove I saw it, I think is that I studied her 3 rope gold necklace carefully it had a unique clasp I can still describe it , that kind of thing is patented in the business and cataloged there would still be a blueprint of it and companies that used it . it is likely someone would remember where it was purchased
I was a novice gold buyer briefly in the 80’s and know heavy gold plate, gold filled ,solid gold pretty quick
her coin purse was gold metal framed blue -green pearl colored patend leather , I think that was originally the color of the printing on this tablet but had faded to lead color when I saw it.
BTW her purse and necklace , gold hair barret were in near mint condition .like they were brand new the necklace had a section where the gold was gone maybe from the blood .

about the being scared no I was only confused until the very last ,what i saw around a bend at the very last , then I was terrified . man I wish I had taken the satchel, but something i know now very recently, It best I didn’t
and no I did not remember the Hartnel name although I think I studied his license
and all the stacked licenses were different people maybe 125- 170 in number I estimate ,some of the plastic licenses were recent
Pay pal is easy just need a bank account /debt card

Was there anything inside the satchel that you would consider a personal item of the owner of the satchel, or was it all trinkets and possible trophies?

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 5:27 pm
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I remember three ropes lightly braded/twisted, each was 5/16" and looked just like a braded rope in metal the necklace weighed over a lb very yellow shiny gold .

Vasa C
No as far as I know it was all items from victims
the satchel was approx 20" L X 4"W x 16"T
the bottom 3-4 " was full of small personal trinkets hair barrets ,rings , eyeglasses etc . some removable dental braces

there was a cheap compass that poked me
Stines wallet ,cab keys and bloody shirt too which i can describe and do in the book
anyone know if cheri Jo was accustom to sitting in the lotus position ?

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 6:32 pm
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Ace, now you really have me on pins and needles wondering what it was you saw around the bend? I’m going to try ordering your book today!

Those necklaces were very popular then; checkout the one Cheri’s wearing in the library photo.

The thought just occurred to me after reading that you almost took the satchel but are glad now you didn’t. If you had and someone found you with it, they’d probably accuse you of being Z for one thing.

With that thought in mind, it occurs to me that perhaps the satchel was found by someone randomly such as you did in which case it would be most interesting to find out the details if at all possible. In other words, there is no way to tell for sure if Zodiac was the one who left the bag at the spot where you found it, especially after so many years.

What if he had stored it in a public storage locker, for instance? He gets sick or for some other reason can’t pay the rent on it and the contents are auctioned off as sometimes happens. Some innocent speculator buys the contents and finds this; maybe they connect it to Z and maybe not. That person could have then had it stolen by someone else. There are just so many possibilities I guess but then I don’t think Z would have risked putting evidence like this in a public facility as he’d be smart enough to realize the security risks in the event the rent wasn’t paid.

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 8:38 pm
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Without any of it, it’s all just a story. Not much law enforcement can do about it.

How did you study Hartnell’s license? It was never taken.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 8:43 pm
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Also, Hartnell stated he only had like 75 cents in change, and his keys weren’t taken…so this "that had conciderable money ( i know the nearly exact denominations 1 unique bill) that was Hartnells and keys too." doesn’t add up to me.

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Posted : September 26, 2014 8:51 pm
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Without any of it, it’s all just a story. Not much law enforcement can do about it.

How did you study Hartnell’s license? It was never taken.

Good question..thought maybe it had been taken and I’d forgotten about that. I was also wondering how you’d remember the name especially if you weren’t making the connection to Z at the time and were just quickly examining the contents.

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 8:54 pm
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this is why I only mentioned the tablet
it is a code if it is confirmed on the other end it gives positive ID that a person who has and likely took and likely killed CJB was in that spot in or around 06 . Contrary to your statement it would prove my point and really simple to do
that is something that no other evidence I have seen posted on Z sites can say.

I said in the post i think I may have looked at it ,How wouid you know if it was taken, tahoe news flash POLICE are allowed to lie in cases concerning evidence , it is a investigations 101 thing, a big tool they use . yes it is possibly not his the one I described .
I did see a wallet with a CDL photo license and remember it looked like Stine and remember the name Stine …no I do not remember his 1st name and could describe the wallet in detail … to authorities only.
I was 10 in 69 capricorn

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 9:40 pm
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Ace, I am having an impossible time trying to buy your book. I just opened a paypal acct. but there is nothing there when I enter the title. Then I tried Google Books and see it but again no luck on Amazon.

I have never used paypal before so could you please explain exactly what to do? Otherwise, I guess I’ll just have to forget about it.

When I saw the book cover, it made me guess that the tree pictured is perhaps what you saw around the bend and it really gives me the creeps thinking about it.

 
Posted : September 26, 2014 11:16 pm
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