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TommyT
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I’m bumping this.

Did anyone get a hold of the actual letter or envelope?

Was about to do the same. A lot of interesting details about this topic. Anything ever come about it?

 
Posted : February 28, 2019 11:28 pm
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I am looking at a connection to a address I found a few yrs ago, that has the last name of Lilienthal. (Which that name is mentioned in a earlier post, connected to the couple who received the A’s tickets) He owned a home one block past Maple which we know was where Zodiac was last spotted. This mans down stairs apt, has a back door that leads to Julius Kahn Playground sign. The address for the playground is 3420 Pacific Ave, the apt back door that I saw was 3421 Pacific Ave. You can’t get closer to that to the playground.That apt address was rented by James and Sybil Felchlin in 1969-70.

Next door to Lilienthal was Mable Filmer at 2 Spruce st , she owned a newspaper company named Filmer Bros. press. These homes along Jackson st had apts that faced Pacific Ave. They could be rented by the day , week or month, according to a woman who live there in the 60’s. Something else of interest, was that there were two homes on Maple st under construction.( 415 and 410 Maple) Could Zodiac have been a construction worker and stayed at one of those homes? I have pointed out before that at every Zodiac crime scene there was construction going on except at Lake Berryessa.

My suspect who I call Honcho, is a construction worker. The Donna Lass card could have been a clue to him being a construction worker , being that is what was on that card.

 
Posted : March 23, 2019 11:49 pm
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What’s the story about this letter? did it ever enter as evidence?

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : March 28, 2019 1:35 pm
TommyT
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Just a note, prior to Tagert and wife residing on Roleen Drive, they resided at 450 gonzaga ave vallejo ca 94589 via the 1969 directory on Ancestry. Might also consider looking at MINS neighbors in that vicinity.

Additionally, I worked a case last weekend just down the Street from Roleen Drive. It is a very quick and easy drive from BRS. As you enter the area along Meadows Drive Westbound from the CA-29, you eventually begin driving along the Napa River and when standing at the corner of Severus Drive, you can almost see the ship yard. This whole area might be an area of focus.

 
Posted : March 28, 2019 8:45 pm
Chaucer
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I really think this correspondence needs more attention. Did Morf ever get a copy? Is it public? What’s the deal?

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : March 28, 2019 8:55 pm
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What’s the story about this letter? did it ever enter as evidence?

VPD has it.

 
Posted : March 28, 2019 10:45 pm
Chaucer
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What’s the story about this letter? did it ever enter as evidence?

VPD has it.

Is it open to FOIA? Has anyone outside of LE laid eyes on it? Did VPD make any determination on it’s authenticity?

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : March 28, 2019 10:48 pm
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Bump.

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : May 3, 2019 12:28 pm
TommyT
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Bump.

Bump BUMP!! Exactly.

 
Posted : May 6, 2019 11:34 am
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I heard he was a Dodgers fan and loved driving Fords and Oldsmobiles, Loved cherry cola and dated someone named Lola.

 
Posted : May 7, 2019 10:35 am
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This is a picture of Gerald’s brother, Ron. If you ask me he bears a lot of resemblance to the Zodiac sketches from the Paul Stine murder – especially the small eyes. He lived in Hawaii for a while and was in the US Air Force. Not sure if he was ever stationed in Northern California.

 
Posted : August 8, 2019 6:03 pm
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Sorry, but I don’t see any resemblance at all to the composite drawing. That cleft chin would have been something a witness would not have left out.

 
Posted : August 8, 2019 6:50 pm
Chaucer
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I wish there was an update on this letter. I think this is an interesting lead.

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : August 8, 2019 7:21 pm
TommyT
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This is a picture of Gerald’s brother, Ron. If you ask me he bears a lot of resemblance to the Zodiac sketches from the Paul Stine murder – especially the small eyes. He lived in Hawaii for a while and was in the US Air Force. Not sure if he was ever stationed in Northern California.

Anyone have any idea what their relationship was like? I would also think that if he wrote this letter, Gerald would have recognized the handwriting.

 
Posted : September 12, 2019 5:50 pm
TommyT
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I really think the angle with the Lilienthal family needs to be looked at further, so I did a little preliminary digging. Seems as though the couple we are talking about is Robert P. Lilienthal (DOB: 06/25/1913) and his wife was Frances. Something interesting I found was that prior to them living at, or simply owning, the address across from the playground, they reported lived at 222 Cherry Street, which is at the corner of Washington. From what I could find, beginning in 1948, he lived at 1 Spruce Street which is across from 2 Spruce. Children are Jim (DOB 9/9/1941) and Peter (DOB 9/16/1946) and sibling is a Theodore (DOB 1912). Brother Theodore’s Son is Tom Lilienthal (DOB: 6/6/1947).

Here are some family photos

 
Posted : October 22, 2019 8:21 pm
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