And Tom
And of course, Mr. Felchlin who IMO, bears a resemblance to both SF and LB sketches, but too old IMO as he was born in 1919:
An interesting obituary FWIW.
The address wasn’t at the corner of Washington and Cherry. It was on Cherry, just past Washington, in opposite direction the Zodiac ran.
Hanging on specifics. Not knocking the Lillienthals. I’m into them as well.
Soze
The address wasn’t at the corner of Washington and Cherry. It was on Cherry, just past Washington, in opposite direction the Zodiac ran.
Hanging on specifics. Not knocking the Lillienthals. I’m into them as well.
Soze
I know, and should have specified that. Point being, they had been in the neighborhood for a very long time showing a possible intimate angle to the vicinity.
The address wasn’t at the corner of Washington and Cherry. It was on Cherry, just past Washington, in opposite direction the Zodiac ran.
Hanging on specifics. Not knocking the Lillienthals. I’m into them as well.
Soze
I know, and should have specified that. Point being, they had been in the neighborhood for a very long time showing a possible intimate angle to the vicinity.
Tommy T , Did we decide that number 1 Spruce is on the right side of Spruce facing the park ( The Lilienthal house) And number 2 is on the left ( The Mabel Filmer house) We agree that the apt I showed you at 3421 Pacific Ave was occupied by James A Felchlin. That is the apt that faces the Julius Kahn playground sign. If number 1 Spruce is the one on the right , then that is the home I went into when they had an estate sale a few yrs ago. It was three stories, I went down stairs to the basement apt. The back door address to that apt was 3421 Pacific Ave.
Earnest R Lilienthal was the president of Haas Bros. lived at 3555 Washington.
Found something else that is interesting, there was a Mrs.Richard Marshall living at 3075 Pacific Ave in 1969. ( Rick’s mother ? )
The address wasn’t at the corner of Washington and Cherry. It was on Cherry, just past Washington, in opposite direction the Zodiac ran.
Hanging on specifics. Not knocking the Lillienthals. I’m into them as well.
Soze
I know, and should have specified that. Point being, they had been in the neighborhood for a very long time showing a possible intimate angle to the vicinity.
Tommy T , Did we decide that number 1 Spruce is on the right side of Spruce facing the park ( The Lilienthal house) And number 2 is on the left ( The Mabel Filmer house) We agree that the apt I showed you at 3421 Pacific Ave was occupied by James A Felchlin. That is the apt that faces the Julius Kahn playground sign. If number 1 Spruce is the one on the right , then that is the home I went into when they had an estate sale a few yrs ago. It was three stories, I went down stairs to the basement apt. The back door address to that apt was 3421 Pacific Ave.
Earnest R Lilienthal was the president of Haas Bros. lived at 3555 Washington.
Found something else that is interesting, there was a Mrs.Richard Marshall living at 3075 Pacific Ave in 1969. ( Rick’s mother ? )
If I understood your post correctly, its the opposite, so let me explain it like this. If you are standing at the wall at the bottom of Spruce Street and facing the park, 1 Spruce is the black house on the left and does not contain any back/side doors facing the park. 2 Spruce Street is on the right and DOES in fact have a back door; however, not that of a Pacific Avenue address. It does not bare any address, which the SF directory of 69/70 verifies. So whoever might have rented that unit out, if it was one at that time, was not Felchlin as it would have been 2 Spruce Street. (See attached street view photo). The very next home next door to that back/side door facing the park is 3577 Pacific Avenue, listed resident in 69/70 book as Cary Weinand (the white house on left of photo). Of further note based on observations and the city directory (as is today) any address or dwelling for Pacific Avenue ends at 3577 Pacific Avenue.
According to the directory, as you stated, 3421 is where Felchlin lived, which is between Laurel and Locust (closest to Laurel). Interesting note there that original wanted photo stated that Stine logged Washington and Laurel?? But regardless, I don’t recall how Felchlin came into this picture again. I thought I did tell you on 10/11 that the door you showed me was NOT Felchlin’s, but if you recall was well, you and I were in a 3-way argument with Ricardo that evening about what address was what, so I do not recall what if anything you and I agreed with, lol.
TommyT, The house that you are showing a picture of is not the part of the house I was in for the estate sale. The one I was in had a few levels, the bottom level had a "large bay window" that I showed you with a back door that faced the Julius Kahn sign. It had the apt address of 3421 Pacific Ave. In the SF criss cross city directory for 1969 -70 , the person who was listed in that apt was James A Felchlin , Monica and Clay Felchlin.
I was never in the part of the home you have showing.
The importance of the one I am taking about, was that I was in that home and went into that bottom apt. I stood at the bay window and looked out, is how I know that it is the correct one. The entrance and address for the main house was 2 Spruce st, Ricardo and I had to walk up a long walk way and entered on the left of that walkway, passed the part you have showing in the corner.
If you Google 2 Spruce St , then keep zooming in , it shows the exact location to the left of the dark brick part of the home you have shown . If you stand at the J K sign looking south down Spruce towards Jackson st, number 2 Spruce is on the left ( East side of the street ) and number one is on the right (West side of the street).
I think the problem is that even though it looks like two separate homes, because part is dark brick and the part I am talking about is almost white? It is one huge 5,309 sq ft lot! So what we think are two homes, is really one? When I use Zillow it shows the corner home, when I googled it and kept zooming in , then it pointed to the section I was in.
The wanted poster I showed you tells about another case of a taxi robbery at 9:30 pm , which mentioned the Laurel area and then the robber at gun point says to go towards the Park or Presidio . The notation goes on to say in "One Case" the robber shoots the victim in the head.( Meaning Stine) That was telling of two separate cases. Could the other one have been a trial run? That was written as a fact on that wanted poster and not an assumption.
On the trip sheet Stine wrote Washington and Maple. Very confusing I know! The other incident was told to the police by that cab driver, who was only robbed and not shot.
To be sure about which is which, the recorders office has a situs map of every address in SF. The next time I am in the recorders office I will ask for a copy of that block, having the correct information is important.
One to make the connection about the A’s tickets. the other is where I believe Zodiac was watching the police activity on Oct 11th 1969.
UGH, this is WHY I should not do this during my work day. I have the numbering reversed in the photo!!! Below is the corrected version. What I wrote was correct, so Ill just delete the photo in the post above. EDITED ON 12/14/19, IN THE SECOND PHOTO WHERE I PUT THE ? MARK, THAT IS THE BACK OF 16 SPRUCE STREET. That rear door runs along Pacific; however, 16 spruce, as you can see, has an uphill driveway entrance on Spruce.
OK, so now to focus on 16 Spruce, which is what you showed me. And Sandy, you don’t need to run to the recorders office. I can do it for you if you’d like for whatever reason next time I’m at the SF courthouse, but when I have room to breath, I can easily do all of this as shown.
69/70 Directory shows "IVER LYCHE" is listed at this address. Via Ancestry, born in 1923 and only son Iver Jr. born in 59, wife’s maiden name is Shuman. HIs 3 other children were girls. Located his OBIT which had some interesting Parallels (Airforce in Norway and something with Seamen), but too old and son too young:
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sfgat … =141185980
Not sure if there is any connection to this family and might stick to the Lillienthals
And here is 3421 Pacific, where Felchlin lived.
The Lilienthals, specifically the one you mention above, are related to the Van Hafflens at the corner of Washington and Cherry and they are related to the Haas family at the corner of Washington and Maple.
Soze
Without duplicating any work, can you, or we, start from scratch with this detail and post photos from ancestry. I’d love to see a detailed explanation as to how they are all related and as to how this all ties into Gerald Tagert.
I’m more then willing to help in any way I can, including hitting up recorders offices etc.
Very strange, when I took a picture of the back door it was in line with the JK sign. I sent a email to my buddy Greg who was the one who told me about the estate sale and he gave me the address. I asked him if he wrote down the address, so I can make sure I have given the correct number. That number was 2 Spruce from what I can remember.
I called Ricardo and asked him to join me to go to the sale that day and take pictures. He took several pictures , I never received any copies. Greg took many and sent them to Tom V to post, but they were not posted, Greg thinks they might be in his old computer?
I am very frustrated with all of these dead ends!
Very strange, when I took a picture of the back door it was in line with the JK sign. I sent a email to my buddy Greg who was the one who told me about the estate sale and he gave me the address. I asked him if he wrote down the address, so I can make sure I have given the correct number. That number was 2 Spruce from what I can remember.
I called Ricardo and asked him to join me to go to the sale that day and take pictures. He took several pictures , I never received any copies. Greg took many and sent them to Tom V to post, but they were not posted, Greg thinks they might be in his old computer?I am very frustrated with all of these dead ends!
So was this the only reason why we are even talking about Felchlin? He does sort of resemble the sketch, but so can multiple other people who resided in the area.
