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Chaucer
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Here are some facts about the killer along with some strong conclusions that we can draw based on the case evidence (I’m open to comment and criticisms on these). So, assuming these traits of the killer are real, can we conclude what line of work he was in? So, setting aside any favorite suspects and looking at these with an open mind, what is the most likely occupation the killer held?

1. Worked 9 to 5, Monday through Friday, but was busy on evenings during the week. Free on weekends.

2. Lower to middle class (blue collar)

3. Worked a trade or some job requiring technical expertise

4. Had an above average knowledge of/training in of mechanics, electronics, electricity, and arithmetic

5. Probably a job not requiring writing skills

6. Possibly military or ex-military (likely Air Force or Navy)

7. Strong affinity or automobiles

8. Strong affinity for clocks/time

9. Strong affinity for numbers/symbols/codes

10. Strong affinity for guns and knowledge of gun laws

11. Possessed the ability to sew and/or stitch

12. Interested in holidays: Christmas, July 4, Halloween

13. Voracious reader of newspapers, magazines, comic books, catalogs, and possibly technical manuals

14. Detail-oriented

15. Average to slightly above average intelligence

16. Education beyond high school

17. Possibly law enforcement or ex-LEO

18. Possibly a job requiring physical strength/stamina

19. Probably lived in or very near Vallejo

20. Possibly worked in San Francisco

21. Drove/traveled quite a bit in the northern California area – familiarity with local geography

Again, I’m open to discussion about these traits/this profile. Also, let’s approach this in a fresh way without discussion of particular POIs or favored suspects.

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : February 11, 2019 8:47 pm
CuriousCat
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Sorry, but there are no facts there, only assumptions. They might all be correct, but we have no way of knowing that with certainty.

 
Posted : February 11, 2019 9:22 pm
Chaucer
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Sorry, but there are no facts there, only assumptions. They might all be correct, but we have no way of knowing that with certainty.

*sigh*

I know. These are assumptions based on the facts of the case. So, based on those, what job do you think the Zodiac had?

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : February 11, 2019 9:44 pm
CuriousCat
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So, based on those, what job do you think the Zodiac had?

I have no idea.

 
Posted : February 11, 2019 10:07 pm
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As for the preoccupation with holidays, it might simply be a matter of increased stress/heightened sense of alienation rather than anything to do with his job. At least when it comes to the 4th of July attack, we know he was alone driving around and looking for targets instead of spending time with someone.

 
Posted : February 12, 2019 1:08 am
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As for the preoccupation with holidays, it might simply be a matter of increased stress/heightened sense of alienation rather than anything to do with his job. At least when it comes to the 4th of July attack, we know he was alone driving around and looking for targets instead of spending time with someone.

That’s right, and if we were to play the assumption game i would assume a attack on the 4th of july due to a Anti-American grudge of sorts by the perpetrator, or not as it happened on the 5th of july.

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : February 12, 2019 4:16 pm
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This is assumptions of the known assumptions of the case.

There’s different schools of thought, I don’t see the bates murder being a critical or factual component of the Zodiac case. It’s frankly a disastrous assumption that continues to rear it’s ugly head like it were a fact.

But kudos for the post, the more people talk the sharper the view points become.

My assumption is that the Zodiac was a great linguist and highly intelligent. Being intelligent doesn’t exclude anyone from doing something stupid or brazen, it’s a poor assumption to think otherwise especially when it’s a strong assumption that he was suffering from mental illness / personality disorders.

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : February 12, 2019 4:20 pm
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Seems to me the ideal "job" would have been college student.

 
Posted : February 12, 2019 6:52 pm
jacob
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My assumption is that the Zodiac was a great linguist and highly intelligent. Being intelligent doesn’t exclude anyone from doing something stupid or brazen, it’s a poor assumption to think otherwise especially when it’s a strong assumption that he was suffering from mental illness / personality disorders.

Charles Manson, the stereotype of criminal insanity, had an IQ well above average. Worth bearing in mind regarding Zodiac who some perceive as unintelligent.

 
Posted : February 12, 2019 7:13 pm
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SFPD’s Captain Martin Lee, who was in charge of the Zodiac killer investigation, his opinion of what kind of job Zodiac had is IMHO the most probable and convincing.
Think about it, Captain Lee knew a lot more about the Zodiac killer than any of us do, even to this day.

Here it is:

Here is an exact reproduction, taken directly from the video, of what SFPD’s Captain Martin Lee said in a November 12th 1969 interview:

KPIX News report from November 12th 1969 with Pat O’Brien featuring a press conference by SFPD’s Captain Martin Lee at the San Francisco Hall of Justice,
where Lee comments on the letters written by the Zodiac killer and also speculates on his character.
Added to San Francisco Bay Area Television Archive on April 6, 2017

https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/231079

At 4:55 – 5:51

Capt. Lee describes his thoughts/knowledge? of Zodiac :

"I, I don’t picture him as a man who works…with his hands (IMO Lee indicating; NOT a physically hard working man)
… I never have…
I,I think that…ah…he..he’s a…he has a small job, and possibly one were he does ah……. work with paper…..(long pause)…….possibly at a desk.
….thise are guesses.
Ah…I think that the rambling…the careless appearances of his notes… is also a disguise…
the cryptograms, when he makes them…can be absolut works of art as far as alignment, both vertically and horizontally,
and space between..ah..the characters is concern…I think that… that goes more to the true picture of the man
than the rambling notes that we’ve gotten.

Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me :)

 
Posted : February 13, 2019 3:18 am
Chaucer
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I’m thinking that Zodiac could have been in surveying. Either a surveyor himself or a survey tech. Perhaps he was in the navy and was a quartermaster. They assisted the navigator on board the ship.

Here is some information on surveyors: (emphasis mine)

"Surveyors work with elements of geometry, trigonometry, regression analysis, physics, engineering, metrology, programming languages, and the law."
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveying

The crosshair symbol is used by surveyors for what is called a "principal point" to indicate locations of important on a map. Moreover, the crosshair or reticle is used by surveyors when they look through their theodolite and level.

"The Mount Diablo meridian, established in 1851, is a principal meridian extending north and south from its initial point atop Mount Diablo in California. Established under the U.S. Public Land Survey System, it is used to describe lands in most of northern California and all of Nevada. Mount Diablo also marks the baseline at latitude 37°52′54″N."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Diablo_meridian

Surveyors also use codes like this:

“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : February 13, 2019 7:46 pm
 Soze
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I have a post on this somewhere entitled something like Longitude, latitude and the phillips 66 map. I also have a post about the symbols being symbols pertaining to maps but I can’t think of what the title is.

Soze

 
Posted : February 14, 2019 1:26 am
Tahoe27
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I have a post on this somewhere entitled something like Longitude, latitude and the phillips 66 map. I also have a post about the symbols being symbols pertaining to maps but I can’t think of what the title is.

Soze

Me too Soze. :)

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=2252

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Found yours: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=2515


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 14, 2019 1:29 am
traveller1st
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Found yours: http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=2515

So did I and everywhere I went there was your name at the bottom T … stop following me :lol:


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : February 14, 2019 1:32 am
Tahoe27
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Found yours: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=2515

So did I and everywhere I went there was your name at the bottom T … stop following me :lol:

Gotta be quicker trav…gotta be quicker. :P


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 14, 2019 2:09 am
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