I’m not sure which existing thread to put this under, so I just made a new one.
I’m not going to bother with the eye witness descriptions. I’m talking about two things:
Zodiac wore size 10 1/2 shoes.
Possibly size 7 XS gloves.
According to this study there is a correlation ratio between hand and feet size.
http://medind.nic.in/jae/t05/i2/jaet05i2p55.pdf
A person with a shoe size 10/12 has a foot aprox. 27.3 cm, or 10.7 inches long. According to the study, that would give them a hand length of aprox. 19.5 cm or 7.6 inches. That would be a size 7.5 Small glove.
Glove size 7 XS, or 17.8 cm would equal a shoe size 7, 24 cm or 9.5 inches.
If my numbers are correct that would appear that the two are not a pair.
very interesting you can also use a persons hand size to calculate their body surface area and determine height and weight. Apparently the hand size is 1% of the total BSA. But that is disputed? and maybe .05% of the palm sizing area, which is the basis for glove size, is more accurate according to this study: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/809581_3
I couldn’t figure out how to add that one up, I’m bad at math. Anyone else want to give it a try? Here’s the formula:
Now we are talking.
I think this would be the most productive way too to eliminate and cultivate new POI.
Can you or some one put the info glove and shoe size we have to full body calculations.
What if neither were his? 
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
What if neither were his?
Right. The thing that always bothered me about the gloves in Stine’s cab is this: If they belonged to Z, why would he bring them with, in mid-October. I mean, I live in Minnesota and don’t even think about wearing gloves until November. The logical reason to bring gloves would be to cover fingerprints during/after a crime. Instead, Z doesn’t put the gloves on; he uses a piece of cloth to wipe the cab down, which takes some time and is conspicuous, not to mention, possibly imperfect in that he could miss a print or two, which he apparently did.
If they were his gloves, why didn’t he wear them? Enter the cab with the gloves, momentarily take one off to pull the trigger, then put it back on, and proceed. No chance of leaving prints, no need to linger around the murder scene cleaning up. If Z brought the gloves, their only purpose was to leave a false clue.
The info on this case sometimes really sucks.
If the gloves were not Zodiac okay but then who’s were they ?
Maybe Stine’s if we had a idea of Stine’s glove size then we could possibly eliminate the gloves as Zodaic and assumes they were Stine’s.
Really sloppy work by all LEO’s on this. It has been almost 50 years how about releasing the case files with the names redacted.
The shoe size though is pretty solid and should be used to narrow down the suspect list.
Seems like it was mentioned the gloves were later found to be a lady’s, but…?? I don’t see how anyone can say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, they were Zodiac’s. Most know how I feel about LB, so a footprint there (imo) doesn’t stand for a whole lot. If ANY prints ever matched, it would have helped this case SO much!
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
The deeper I look into this case everything is circumstantial to a degree. The problem is instead of graysmith most from that time said very little.
the boots size and make seemed to be one of the only solid pieces of evidence I mean how he was not snagged at ph or crime scene preserved at lb is amazingly shit police work.
The deeper I look into this case everything is circumstantial to a degree. The problem is instead of graysmith most from that time said very little.
the boots size and make seemed to be one of the only solid pieces of evidence I mean how he was not snagged at ph or crime scene preserved at lb is amazingly shit police work.
What evidence would you expect to find in a stranger-on-stranger murder where the assailant shoots his victims and quickly leaves the scene? Regarding LB, that crime scene was so contaminated by the victims’ movements, it is unlikely that a "preserved crime scene" would have yielded any more evidence. Zodiac had a hood and bib, so he probably left no hairs. Fingerprints or DNA? The victims’ blood and their thrashing about in trying to free themselves probably contaminated any evidence on the rope cords.
At PH, SFPD did not secure the crime scene. The fingerprints may not be Zodiac’s. Even if they were, they were not clear enough to use for comparison purposes. I would expect that he would leave much evidence behind at any crime scene.
