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Jarlve
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Hey all,

I manipulated the 340 so that you can see how the author wrote it. The whiter areas shown in the symbols indicating that the pen crossed the place more than once. For instance take a look at squares with a dot in the middle and you will see that in the top-left corner there is a white "dot" here. This then indicates that this was his start and ending point for this symbol.

You can see he started circles at the top, squares in the top-left and triangles from the bottom-left. I’m interested if people could find more stuff.

I also enhanced the "smearing" of the symbols so that it is now more clearly. I don’t know if the "smearing" was done by the author or the researchers…

Does anyone have a better or non .jpg version of the 340 @ 1500*2307? As you can see the .jpg artifacts are a problem here. I’m a bit annoyed that the FBI asks for help but doesn’t bother to provide very high quality material of all the Zodiac’s work.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qP26V … YsWFGOiCSR

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Posted : September 21, 2014 7:56 pm
Jarlve
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I just found this:

I want to note that as far as I can see there appear to be no folds on the sides of the 340. The line on the right side is an artifact produced by the scanner. There is also a scanner line near the center fold, it goes through the symbols every so slightly.

You can see the line continuing of the paper here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dosqqdgic5ve4 … e.jpg?dl=0

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : September 22, 2014 12:35 am
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I agree and about the center one as well. The rest are folds though I should imagine or he used a really big envelope. :D


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : September 22, 2014 6:32 am
Jarlve
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Hey traveller1st, thanks for providing the better example.

Do you know what the little "R" is?

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Posted : September 22, 2014 11:21 am
traveller1st
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Hey traveller1st, thanks for providing the better example.

Do you know what the little "R" is?

I suspect it’s a ‘signed off’ signature of sorts. Denoting what I’m not sure but perhaps someone else has already discussed it on one of the threads pertaining to it’s exact meaning. There’s a more elaborated version on one of the parts of the 408 – ie a signature and a date. Another one appears on the Mt Diablo letter containing the Z32, bottom right corner.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : September 22, 2014 11:43 am
glurk
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Jarlve-

You might find this old discussion on ZKF interesting – it’s about the cipher dimensions, but the folds are brought up as well.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/ … =50&t=1155

-glurk

(And clearly, the thing HAD to be folded somehow in order to fit into the envelope!)

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Posted : September 22, 2014 2:28 pm
Jarlve
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Thanks glurk.

traveller1st,

I googled for more than half an hour for the original version of the 408 but I can’t find it, some site appears to have had it but it is down. I found a very good quality version of the Z32 but I can’t find anything in the bottom-right corner.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 1:22 am
traveller1st
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Thanks glurk.

traveller1st,

I googled for more than half an hour for the original version of the 408 but I can’t find it, some site appears to have had it but it is down. I found a very good quality version of the Z32 but I can’t find anything in the bottom-right corner.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 1:50 am
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We don’t Google here, we Trav.
"I couldn’t find it, so I Trav’ed for it."

;)

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 2:13 am
Jarlve
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Lol smithy.

Thanks traveller1st,

But,

The 408 is low res and there just seems to be Chronicle and date.

And for the other image how do you explain this: (it’s not there…) http://zodiackillerciphers.com/images/B … 2_code.jpg

I also found this: (look for the reversed Y on line 10) http://themostdangerousanimalofall.com/ … phers3.png

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 11:33 am
glurk
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Here is that 408 image at higher resolution:

http://imgur.com/HgrDGv7

-glurk

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Posted : September 23, 2014 11:53 am
traveller1st
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Lol smithy.

Thanks traveller1st,

But,

The 408 is low res and there just seems to be Chronicle and date.

And for the other image how do you explain this: (it’s not there…) http://zodiackillerciphers.com/images/B … 2_code.jpg

I also found this: (look for the reversed Y on line 10) http://themostdangerousanimalofall.com/ … phers3.png

Yup it isn’t. In that case my guess is that they are either two different images or the same image at different times. Either way the ‘mark’ has been added to one of them to denote something. i.e ‘this has been scanned by such n such and added to the files’ or something like that. It’s something LE/press related for filing/records purposes.

As to the ‘thing’ above the ‘Y’ on line 10 of ‘that’ scan of the 340 … it could literally be anything. A smudge or a dead fly on a photocopier at some stage in production chain of that image. It’s a reproduction of a reproduction etc etc. Things degrade and get introduced in those processes and were not dealing with recent things either don’t forget. There is a good example of that with the ‘SLA card’ – that weird E turned out not to be so weird after all, it was just degraded and distorted over time via copying. A better, less degraded version turned up in the FBI files that morf received in his FOIA requests.

In short. Things get written on. I used to think OMG but of course I was naively assuming they were on the originals. Seems unlikely and just because we have some very good scans they are just that – scans and they are from photographs. Makes sense I suppose if you are in receipt of say, a single, good photo of a piece of evidence in a case like this then some of them are going to get annotated to denote ownership and other pertinent information. That’s my thinking anyway as to why some versions of the same image have ‘things’ on them and not others.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 11:54 am
traveller1st
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Here is that 408 image at higher resolution:

http://imgur.com/HgrDGv7

-glurk

Luverly. Thanks G.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 11:55 am
doranchak
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Here is that 408 image at higher resolution:

http://imgur.com/HgrDGv7

-glurk

What is the provenance of that scan? Could that just be from reproductions made for Fincher’s Zodiac film?

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 2:35 pm
glurk
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doranchak-

There are a few more like that, and they DID come out around the time of Fincher’s film in 2007, but I believe they are the real deal, not reproductions. Here is another one, part of the "Dripping Pen" card:

I’m almost – let’s say 99.9% – certain that they are the actual letters.

-glurk

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I don’t believe in monsters.

 
Posted : September 23, 2014 2:41 pm
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