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Seagull
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However there is a problem with that solution: The editor clearly states, that the person known to both of them (obviously the editor had taken a name of which he must have known that Z – unidentified – was in contact with him), is in fact a ‘Leo’.

But Melvin Belli was not a Leo.
QT

Melvin Belli was a Leo. He was born July 29th.

Here is his death record which gives his birthdate.

And here are the astrology signs and the dates for each.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 2:35 am
Quicktrader
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Thanks for the hint, so AIDE RELY LA BY BELLI could indeed be the correct solution implying that Z should rely on LA police department through the aide Melvin Belli.

QT

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Posted : May 8, 2014 2:38 am
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No probably not QT. You are not following the instructions in the narrative that goes with the code.

This is what it says-

And this is the cover of the book to help you along.

What is asked is that the astrological symbols be broken down into numbers and from the numbers using the chart I posted on the previous page for the value of the letters in numerology you get what Smthy and Glurk posted. Sydney Omarr was really into Numerology, wrote books on it and all. Whether you like it or not it is a part of the solution.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 2:56 am
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Don’t forget about this LEO reference-
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=330&p=6154&hilit=leo#p6154

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 3:03 am
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Morf, do you recall the postmark date on the Leo page that was sent from Fairfield? Was it before or after the Tattler articles?

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Posted : May 8, 2014 3:11 am
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Morf, do you recall the postmark date on the Leo page that was sent from Fairfield? Was it before or after the Tattler articles?

I forget if we ever verified the date it was sent, but according to Graysmith, it was late December,69-earlyJanuary 1970:

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Wm6fv … er&f=false

I think it was 12/16/69 for the bleeding knife letter and two days later, the Leo forecast, although, I think I remember 12/8/69 for some reason. I will go back and look thru the unconfirmed zodiac letters

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
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https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 3:40 am
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This should help-

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 3:47 am
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Thank You! It looks like the Leo page was sent after the article appeared in the Tattler. That makes me wonder if the Tattler piece had any influence on whoever sent it.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 3:58 am
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Seagull,

very good observation…so my substitution might be indeed useless :P

In fact, when looking at the Hebrew alphabet, one may find various symbols from Z ciphers. Gimel, Kaph, Mem, Ayn, Samech, Tzadi appear to be similar to various Z symbols.

http://www.code-knacker.de/hebraeisch.htm

Even more interesting appears to be the connection between the Hebrew alphabet and astrological symbols. Approximately six symbols may easily be identified through a table like this one:

It appears as if this table is not the original one? In fact, the resemblance to Z symbols is stunning..’Gimmel’, ‘Chet’, ‘Thet’ and especially ‘He’ can clearly be read..

QT

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Posted : May 8, 2014 11:42 am
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QT – how fascinating.

Seagull, Morf, yes, me too.
Omarr was syndicated after all, so it’s quite possible (perhaps it’s even likely) that some idiot read this and thought that the Leo reference was the "hook".
I wonder whose astrology book, 1969 (1970?!) the reference (Qc42 in the FBI note) was taken from? Anyone care to put down a few dollars?
http://www.pegasusbookstore.com/ebook/9TsFRhI3rgkC

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 11:48 am
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Together with those symbols

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicodeblo … ne_Symbole

we also find e.g. Uranus as being the third symbol. So far I read it as

Neptune Mars Uranus Mercure
Sun Mercure Jupiter Venus
Jupiter Neptun
Moon Venus
Moon Mercure Jupiter Jupiter Mars

leading to

Mem Thet Lamed Sajin
Gimmel Sajin Jod Chet
Jod Mem
He Chet
He Sajin Jod Jod Thet

or

MTLS
GSJCh
JM
HCh
HSJJT

Anybody speaking Hebrew around here?

מטלז גזיח ימ הח הזייט

or reversed

טייזה חה מי חיזג זלטמ

with the first one being sort of a match at google..

Leading to

Olive Comrade Sea/Lake Gazit? Dog

Well…?

Don’t know if I got an error in here, but the first one appears to show that the two bigrams might be correct, therefore it being astrological Hebrew code..

https://www.google.at/search?q=%D7%9E%D … 3&ie=UTF-8

QT

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Posted : May 8, 2014 12:13 pm
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QT – the likely solution to that particular piece of quackery from Mr Omarr has already been determined.
If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then it is very likely to be a member of phylum Cordata, family Anatidae……
Let’s move along please – there’s nothing to see here.

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 12:59 pm
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QT – the likely solution to that particular piece of quackery from Mr Omarr has already been determined.
If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then it is very likely to be a member of phylum Cordata, family Anatidae……
Let’s move along please – there’s nothing to see here.

Please, move along.

QT

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Posted : May 8, 2014 1:18 pm
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I’ve moved. I hope you’re also moving.
Anagram:
vonga mole.

Hebrew:
משיב הטירון

;)

 
Posted : May 8, 2014 1:41 pm
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Checked the cipher again for not only being a substitution but also possibly being a homophone cipher, (only) one more possible solution shows up:

Jim Dunbar show was approximately one month earlier, nevertheless I’ll check again the astrological cipher, too..

Indeed, "GIVE SELF UP TO BELLI" appears to be the valid solution..especially as those symbols are covered on the book in exactly the same shape and is there even the hint regarding the book, too.

The cipher appears to be solved as ‘give self up to belli’ also contains a message, grats Glurk & Seagull for this great post.

QT

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