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Zambac
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First I want to apologize for my bad English. But I think that it is enough for my rest. I have four months ago the 340 cipher, for the first time seen, and I have tried like everyone to understand this. I will gladly show you something I found at this time. Maybe, maybe not, help my” work” (Just a Idea) for anythink findout about the Zodic Ciphers.

My Best
Zambac

Work 1.)

This is the 340 Cipher with the 11th to 20th lines placed alongside lines 1 to 10, to form a new perspective on the cipher. ( Dan Olson of the FBI Cryptanalyst Unit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … G2M3NOyCB4)

HERCPCAAPYIOLTGODUTREOHEIDTMPBTEEO
NPTMILONDETIKNEFIOKCLRJINOTIEITNME
MYSCETUNGEKILLGHJGDASYLTNIOEMCLIAR
SPPEYCANAGPOTTREOLGENAFOOIBICAIHTT
NYETGHUDIOEPTNIYEYMAONSIYSECAUNOIT
PARAECOINDSKECODKICIGGMEKOPAIFEQGO
LOTEQNIOUCAGAIGLIRCTTLODSKTELEMILL
IGOJFULOTNNTGTHLYTTIESGECPOSHTEKIP
DKETBTNROEMCYADIEIEYDEKEHMNYOMNESC
IGLUATAJTOPEKEMYECEDHNPKSGZOAAIEIT

Cleartext:

PATHOLOGIC PERCY AD THE POEM TO BE TRUE ID
IOM PEKIN TEND FLINT LET IT ROCK JOIN ME IN
MY KILLING THE LAST MERCY I CAN DO JUGGLES
POST TO PAPER AGENCY OF BENICIA A LIGHT TO
OPEN THE GUY IDENITY YOU CAN MY NOISE IS AT
PARADICE KNOCKS ODE I GO PICKE IQ FOG GAME
LOGICAL GI EQUATION TSTC LORD TEL ME KILL
TONIGHT JUNGLE FIT TO PECK THEY LOST PIGS
CID BETRAYED ME NOT MY HIDE SEEK ON MY NECK
KEEP OUT MY JAIL GATE THE ZODIAC SPEAKING

Work 2.)

( http://oranchak.com/zodiac/webtoy/ )

HERSKILLERIANDGOD…………..HERS KILLER I AND GOD….?
AKTENO?????A?RM??
EHASETAVG???NOOHF
SKK?LIARLPK?TTRMO
?IETO??DIEFETHDR?
KARLFI?IRDCRFSO?N…………..KARL …(FREDERICSON.?)..?
OETM??EOASPGLAONI
NGOF??O?T?A?OT?NI
D?ET?TVROFESH??DM
IOIALTLFT?K??FEHI
ATR?E?EI??EK?DEM?
O?SIRFIREDDEATHEF………….FIRED DEATH…
O?ISHOTAIEFESNEAR…………I SHOT A ….( LIFE.?).NEAR?
IGFAL?EOD?ASLD?TT…………T…
HEPARADICESLAVEIT…………HE PARADİCE SLAVE IT..?
ISAPOEMN?KLA?E?GO…………IS A POEM………?
RSDTNA?C?TFI?EI?N
TT??CO?SE?SHD?N?K
IFRD????E???ERICS
SE?HAKRSOV?A?IMET

……………………….

 
Posted : September 24, 2013 11:46 pm
AK Wilks
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Interesting work. Thanks for posting it.

Can you elaborate on your translation?

For example, how do you get "PERCY" in the first line?

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Posted : September 25, 2013 6:10 am
doranchak
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Can you elaborate on your translation?
For example, how do you get "PERCY" in the first line?

He just anagrammed each line.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 25, 2013 1:49 pm
doranchak
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HERCPCAAPYIOLTGODUTREOHEIDTMPBTEEO

PATHOLOGIC PERCY AD THE POEM TO BE TRUE ID

How do you know it’s not this instead:

PIG CLUE: BYE, TATTOOED HERMAPHRODITE COP

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 25, 2013 1:56 pm
Zambac
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Hı Ak Wilks,

Thanks for your answer!
I noticed the last line on the 340 cipher, and i see this:

and i thing this can be (Speaking) mean, and i remembered, the Zodiac letter begin with ‘This is the Zodiac speaking.” So i try give the simbols a letter and this came out:” The Zodiac Speaking.”. But the line is on the end of the 340 cipher, so i remebered, i must turn the cipher that the last line be the first, as you can see below. The rest come from self-locking. I know, this work is omly one of the many trys like of all other users. But i am not surer definitly did is a big solution, as I said it is just a idea. Maybe someone can do something with this work, i dont no. It was very interesant for me to findout anything, and i try with another more ideas.

 
Posted : September 25, 2013 2:56 pm
Zambac
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Hı doranchak,

Thanks for your answer!
You right, this can be anything. But i try to give the cipher letters make sens on the total picture. How? i try give letter to letter on the same cipher, like this:
A = A, G = G, L = L, I = I, P = P, H = H, J = J, R = R, S = S, N = N, D = D, U = U, O = O. .. ect ..
I know what you mean, but like i say, the cipher letters can be anything …

 
Posted : September 25, 2013 3:05 pm
glurk
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Here is a cipher. In this one, A=A, C=C, D=D, E=E, G=G, H=H, I=I, K=K, N=N, O=O, P=P, S=S, T=T, and Z=Z.

It’s fairly easy to decode. Just use the substitutions above and the message will appear clearly:

THIS IS THE ZODIAC SPEAKING.

-glurk

——————————–
I don’t believe in monsters.

 
Posted : September 25, 2013 3:17 pm
Zambac
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Hi glurk,
Thank you very much for your reply. Are you kidding me? I can do it myself… :D

 
Posted : September 25, 2013 3:55 pm
Marclean
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Nice work Zambac!!
Do not worry about comments that you do not understand, it is quite natural.
The staff here is nice, I like to see the theory of others, because whenever someone says things that we missed.
I’m currently working on the 340, since (theoretically) found quena actually two figures, part of 224, part of 92, 24 "remaining symbols are trademarks of selection." I’m getting some results, but it will take, I do when I have time. Maybe it’s nothing, but it’s fun and it’s not a waste of time, finally trains our mind!!
cheers
Marcelo

https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/

 
Posted : September 25, 2013 8:05 pm
AK Wilks
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Zambac

Thanks for your answer. That explains more clearly your process.

Anagrams are controversial. You are using what I call wide or extreme anagrams. Using this method any series of letters can create hundreds if not thousands of different potential solutions. Thus it is difficult to decide which one is "correct".

This has led many code-breakers here to reject any anagram use at all.

I used to experiment a lot with wide extreme anagrams, but after constructive criticism from doranchak, glurk and others, which showed the hundreds of possible anagrams, I backed off wide anagrams. I do still think it is possible that Zodiac used tight or mild anagrams in his codes to increase difficulty of solution and minimize legal jeopardy.

This would be an example of a wide or extreme anagram:

ruhrbhauklnmnbraotvbe

And you get: BOMB

This is an example of a tight or mild anagram, and this is one I actually endorse, it comes from the Graysmith-Kite-Wilks solution:

BTSAL

And I get: TSALB or BLAST

With only one move of the "B" you get the word.

My advice to you would be if you use anagrams, try to focus on only tight mild anagrams. Wide extreme anagrams just have too many possibilities. But that is up to you, and you may have a different view and make your own discoveries. Good luck.

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Posted : September 25, 2013 10:13 pm
Zambac
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Thanks! Marcelo,

I have already understood glurk wery well. I have no problem with it.
Yes the staff here is nice that I have seen. I find this forum very enriching for me.
I read a lot here and expand my horizons. I do not expect much observance, I do not want profiling here, I’m just putting something to contribute to the solution of the cipher. That’s all.
I confess it is my first forum where I am registered.

So ı wish you luck working for you on the 340 Ah yes! finally trains our mind! that is true.:)

Zambac

 
Posted : September 26, 2013 1:43 am
Zambac
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Hı AK Wilks,

Thank you for your detailed answer!
You are right, doranchak also. I did not expect much, that my work is right. I have read a lot in other forum about Zodiac, his cipher.
as example: http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com and other …

Your example:
” BTSAL

And I get: TSALB or BLAST

With only one move of the "B" you get the password.”

I totally understand you. But I always wonder at such a result in which it is hang together. I think in the cipher, it is not just about words but also about sentiences,
and the entire message in the cipher. Wat i not understand is, why many people think the 340 cipher are like the 408 cipher.

I think for Zodiac was all just a Game. First he post the 408 Cipher and after a Week, the Cipher was solved by Mr.and Mrs.Harden. Just a week later.
How can that be so easy? Ok, the Hardens used a letter in a row without a letter to skip. But if you, as an example, the ( http://oranchak.com/zodiac/webtoy/ try,
and take the 340 to act as Mr.Harden cipher, then you see after an hour, which is not in the same pattern as 408 goes cipher. Anyway, I’ve recognized that, even with my bad English skills.
I do not want to offend anyone, but I think the 340 Cipher method to solve the same as the 408 is just waste of Time. Thousands of people have tried it like Mr. Harden, the result is a big Zero.

Why not going other routes with the 340 Cipher? I think a Cipher letter must content in a meaningful result. Again, you right, with my method to solve the 340 cipher is verry uncertain.
For me it was just a try to find, after many months of searching, according to a well in the cipher. My way may lead to a dead end, but for me it was worth it.
Maybe when we get out of the Forest, then we can see the Forest.
Again many thanks for your insightful comment.

Zambac

 
Posted : September 26, 2013 1:47 am
Marclean
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Yes, no doubt the 340 is special, considering that not a farce of the infamous zodiac, many brilliant minds have tried something, I wonder how many of them came close to the solution (door handle), had on hand and not seen, because in other place else found the key (but did not close the handle). In such cases many truths are lost in the crowd. So stay tuned to various theories. I believe that somewhere, someone will find the solution.
However, I think the 340 broken also not solve the case, imagine a message "I’m Marcelo and I live in Brazil now," even though many circunstacias to call me to the event, I had the right age and lived in places, prove nothing . What I mean is that if there is any material evidence lost somewhere and this is located, but it would prove something. 100 years from now will be like Jack Zodiac with numerous theories, unless new technologies that not imagine that may be invented.
Anyway, come on, at 340.
I also like the map code (32 symbols), this perhaps leads somewhere physical, something that has "buried"
I am also aware of Fred Manalli the suspect ,that point for Morf, and I did not know, there is no much information about it, but the handwriting is much like the correspondences of the Zodiac.

Marcelo

https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/

 
Posted : September 26, 2013 2:46 am
Zambac
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Hı Everyone!

This is a another idea (Z-340) or a new end-of-street, I do not know.

I have the 340 separated into five parts. Every part for differently tries to decipher.
What comes out? See below. These are but just try. Can anyone help me in this way, manner?

 
Posted : December 6, 2013 12:10 am
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