Hello,
Sharing an observation I made.
In the classic cipher of Edgar Alan Poe’s tale, The Gold Bug "the cipher can be divided into 12 lines of 17 symbols in length just like the lines of the zodiac ciphers.
In addition, it is printed with 204 symbols, exactly half the symbols of Z 408 CIPHER
Coincidence??!!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gold-Bug
https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/
What a strange coincidence, I was just using this exact cipher To taunt my enemies…
Just kidding.
…but seriously, I was just doing work with that cipher.
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I imagine it is not a coincidence, it might be that the zodiac cipher is a template to overlap the body of the deciphered text of the gold bug cipher
2?; 6;) ¶8(: 06780: ;45; 69 ;5076*3 263 2?00)46; 
https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/
4‡] †‡ :‡? 1880 ;46) -6.48( ]5) (805;8† ;‡ [‡†65-?
]5) ;48 .‡6*; ‡1 ;46) ;4(85† ;‡ †6)-?)) ;48 -6.48(?
I imagine it is not a coincidence, it might be that the zodiac cipher is a template to overlap the body of the deciphered text of the gold bug cipher
2?; 6;) ¶8(: 06780: ;45; 69 ;5076*3 263 2?00)46;
I don’t think you are talking "big bullsh*t", its interesting stuff.
I keep finding hints that zodiac would run his text through a "trithemius cipher", then substitute the trithemius text with ciphertext characters.
…its kind of like a modified "Caesar box" then text has been substituted with cipher text…
I really do not like discussing my cipher work though…
Ill decode for you non-cipher-nerds out there:
(WARNING: This will spoil the fun for those who wanted to do the work. )
marclean’ cipher text = 2?; 6;) ¶8(: 06780: ;45; 69 ;5076*3 263 2?00)46; = but it’s very likely that I am talking big bullsh*t
]5) ;48 .‡6*; ‡1 ;46) ;4(85† ;‡ †6)-?)) ;48 -6.48( = was the point of this thread to discuss the cipher?
4‡] †‡ :‡? 1880 ;46) -6.48( ]5) (805;8† ;‡ [‡†65- = how do you feel this cipher was related to zodiac?
The question marks were not part of the cipher, which is why they were in bold, if you included the question marks you would get an extra letter "u" at the end of the sentence.
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Could be that Poe’s cipher was presented as an example in some cipher book Zodiac had. Thought it looked like a good template so used it.
Could be that Poe’s cipher was presented as an example in some cipher book Zodiac had. Thought it looked like a good template so used it.
Yes, it is true that Z knew this cipher (gold-bug) by its popularity
There is this book, known to all Z researchers – in which Allan Poe is quoted, besides there being a "zodiac code".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2ZxPLdifaoZUFJMTJnN1RqMTg/view
Some time ago I made this joke with the first part of the z408 text.
https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/
I don’t think you are talking "big bullsh*t", its interesting stuff.
I keep finding hints that zodiac would run his text through a "trithemius cipher", then substitute the trithemius text with ciphertext characters.
…its kind of like a modified "Caesar box" then text has been substituted with cipher text…
I really do not like discussing my cipher work though…
Thanks, being or not being "bs", there is something in the least curious
https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/
I made this "art" using the page http://zodiackillerciphers.com/cipher-explorer/ (of Mr Doranchak), and "Gold-Bug" appears interlaced to the "Name" Edgar.
https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/
Could be that Poe’s cipher was presented as an example in some cipher book Zodiac had. Thought it looked like a good template so used it.
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What do you guys think about zodiac and freemason (pigpen) or templar ciphers?
6 59 )?(8 ;45; [‡†65- ]5) 1596065( ]6;4 500 ‡1 ;48 ]800 7*‡]* -6.48()
45¶8 :‡? 1‡?*† 5*: (850 -‡**8-;6‡*) 28;]88* ;46) -6.48( 5*† ;48 -6.48() -(85;8† 2: [‡†65-?
What do you guys think about zodiac and freemason (pigpen) or templar ciphers?
Mr zresearch
I dont have now, at least, no connection from Poe’s Cipher and Zodiac Ciphers, which I can argue, or work on. Only the observation of length (204) which is half of the "Z408" as we know, and, of course, can be divided into 12 lines of 17 (half of Z408).
And Z sent in three parts, as we know, I made this art in the first part of the body of the deciphered text, and appears, by coincidence "POE" already in the first line.
Interlaced with "the name Edgar" appears "Gold-Bug", besides Red Death (another story of Poe) if you observe a little more. And the Final Allan. Note that everything is basically centered to the left of the Text body. In no other part of the full text (in the other two parts) is there any possibility of being located.
If this has any use ?? !! I have no idea. That is why I share, so that other eyes, perhaps, of this a practical application, if it exists of course.
As for the use of other modes of ciphering that you have quoted, I have also observed and studied them, note in the book from which I extracted the text about Poe, Z could certainly read and use it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2ZxPLdifaoZUFJMTJnN1RqMTg/view 1964 – Codes and Ciphers – Secret writing through the ages – John Laffin
https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/
Sorry if this has already been considered but this Free Mason info. rings a bell with me re. a conversation with my poi back in the 1970’s. I have also a vague memory of him showing me tricks with writing using a backward alphabet were it starts with Z or only the first letter did, then followed by A.
He also demonstrated how he wrote his name in code, saying it was like "leapfrog."
Wonder if this is just something he made up or was it known in cipher circles?
6 59 )?(8 ;45; [‡†65- ]5) 1596065( ]6;4 500 ‡1 ;48 ]800 7*‡]* -6.48()
45¶8 :‡? 1‡?*† 5*: (850 -‡**8-;6‡*) 28;]88* ;46) -6.48( 5*† ;48 -6.48() -(85;8† 2: [‡†65-?
What do you guys think about zodiac and freemason (pigpen) or templar ciphers?
Mr zresearch
I dont have now, at least, no connection from Poe’s Cipher and Zodiac Ciphers, which I can argue, or work on. Only the observation of length (204) which is half of the "Z408" as we know, and, of course, can be divided into 12 lines of 17 (half of Z408).
And Z sent in three parts, as we know, I made this art in the first part of the body of the deciphered text, and appears, by coincidence "POE" already in the first line.
Interlaced with "the name Edgar" appears "Gold-Bug", besides Red Death (another story of Poe) if you observe a little more. And the Final Allan. Note that everything is basically centered to the left of the Text body. In no other part of the full text (in the other two parts) is there any possibility of being located.
If this has any use ?? !! I have no idea. That is why I share, so that other eyes, perhaps, of this a practical application, if it exists of course.
As for the use of other modes of ciphering that you have quoted, I have also observed and studied them, note in the book from which I extracted the text about Poe, Z could certainly read and use it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2ZxPLdifaoZUFJMTJnN1RqMTg/view 1964 – Codes and Ciphers – Secret writing through the ages – John Laffin
Thanks. Great posts so far.
I apologize if I came off as sounding pushy, I was simply trying to determine the context of the conversation so I could join in productively, I mean, I don’t want to be rambling on about a trithemius cipher when the topic at hand involves Poe and potential connections to zodiac.
While I am still having some trouble becoming oriented with the subject matter I do not mean to inconvenience or slow the conversation, thank you for your patience.
Sorry if this has already been considered but this Free Mason info. rings a bell with me re. a conversation with my poi back in the 1970’s. I have also a vague memory of him showing me tricks with writing using a backward alphabet were it starts with Z or only the first letter did, then followed by A.
He also demonstrated how he wrote his name in code, saying it was like "leapfrog."
Wonder if this is just something he made up or was it known in cipher circles?
No! this was NOT something that was "made up", and in my opinion it would be known in "cipher circles".
the reverse alphabet, where a = z and so on, is called an "atbash cipher", which was originally used to encode the Hebrew alphabet.
The "leap-frog" cipher you were speaking of sounds like a "Caesar cipher" (not to be confused with a "Caesar box" ) in this cipher each letter is moved to correspond with a letter further down in the alphabet.
A "ROT-13" cipher is about the same thing, only it switches your letter for the letter 13 places ahead of it.
( a "Caesar box" is where you create a box grid, you then write your text vertically from top to bottom down the grid, you then will take the characters from the horizontal lines as your coded message. )
These are all very common and very well known ciphers.
Templars, freemasons, other secret societies, and pirates are all notorious cipher writers. …and I am sure that zodiac knew all of the well known ciphers quite well.
