I have looked through the microfilms for that time period many times and an ad for a Zodiac watch has never jumped out at me. I’m pretty sure that their ads were mainly in magazines but wouldn’t rule out that a business that carried the product may have featured the watches in one of their ads. Does anyone have any idea what stores carried Zodiac watches in the Bay Area at that time?

Good Find Seagull!

I have looked through the microfilms for that time period many times and an ad for a Zodiac watch has never jumped out at me. I’m pretty sure that their ads were mainly in magazines but wouldn’t rule out that a business that carried the product may have featured the watches in one of their ads. Does anyone have any idea what stores carried Zodiac watches in the Bay Area at that time?

Woolworths ? Wonder where ALA mother bought his.

Oh, I meant to say "Nice find!" too, Tacocat – oops!

That would be very cool. If someone just gets you the watch as a poor alternative I’ll take it.

OK I’ll confess, I bought myself one on eBay. Ahem.

Zodiac watches would have been sold at higher end jewelry or department stores, I think. Definitely not a Woolworth item. Allen’s watch was a Christmas gift from his mother.

A current eBay listing for a 1969 Zodiac watch ad.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Zodiac-SST … 0349272268

I magnified the text in the ad and it’s barely readable but it looks to me that the watches sold for $110+ back in 1969 and that was a lot of money for a watch back then.

Oh, I meant to say "Nice find!" too, Tacocat – oops!

That would be very cool. If someone just gets you the watch as a poor alternative I’ll take it.

OK I’ll confess, I bought myself one on eBay. Ahem.

No need to be embarrassed! I have a vintage Zodiac watch, too. I bet we are not the only ones either.

I’m not really embarrassed D., I have a hood too.
(Kidding.)

Oh, I meant to say "Nice find!" too, Tacocat – oops!

That would be very cool. If someone just gets you the watch as a poor alternative I’ll take it.

OK I’ll confess, I bought myself one on eBay. Ahem.

I bid for some occasionally. Haven’t won one …..yet. I want the same one as ALA but those a ‘spensive and I would need a bit of luck to get one at a reasonable price. That being said – there are some really nice ‘other’ design Zodiac watches that have caught my eye.

Deb – yup they would have been pretty expensive, quality watches so I don’t think (in response to Stitch’s post) that woolworths would have stocked them. There’s probably more of a chance that they could have back then as opposed to modern times but I would say that Zodiac watches were the reserve of slightly more up market stores and private jewelers.

Here’s the pup I want.

Zodiac watches would have been sold at higher end jewelry or department stores, I think. Definitely not a Woolworth item. Allen’s watch was a Christmas gift from his mother.

A current eBay listing for a 1969 Zodiac watch ad.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Zodiac-SST … 0349272268

I magnified the text in the ad and it’s barely readable but it looks to me that the watches sold for $110+ back in 1969 and that was a lot of money for a watch back then.

Was think high end store but who knows
for sure and agree they was quite pricey for that time period. Yes I know ALA was a Christmas gift from his mother and why I mentioned where did she buy it.

Wether Zodiac was named after a watch, clothes, a boat or a car only one Zodiac POI has a car named after him.

I was reading Dave’s site http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/ and his latest post regarding math and science writer Martin Gardner.

Dave mentions before getting into the article proper that Gardner had also written a book on codes.

A link is provided to Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/048624 … illciph-20

Here’s the Zync bit though. A mini blurb.

Book Description
Publication Date: October 1, 1984 | Age Range: 9 and up | Series: Dover Children’s Activity Books
"A fascinating, challenging book." — A. L. A. Booklist. Experiment with cryptography — the science of secret writing. Cipher and decipher codes: transposition and polyalphabetical ciphers, famous codes, typewriter and telephone codes, codes that use playing cards, knots, and swizzle sticks…even invisible writing and sending messages through outer space. Hours of intrigue and challenge. 45 diagrams.

A. L. A. Booklist is of course American Library Association, Booklist magazine but that made me smile – A book on codes published as a children’s book and recommended on ALA’s booklist

Thought you might find this interesting. This happened to me the other week.

I see it as, actually I’m not sure what I see it as but it was one of those weird things that happens, to me anyway, when I go Zodiac fishing. You know, just randomly googling things and seeing where it leads. OR more specifically, following my random thoughts. Just to clarify, my starting point of interest was purely to do with facial features and not who the person is or that they might be Zodiac.

There is a logical train of thought in this albeit tenuous links but it’s basically looks like zodiac, criminal, prison…. etc etc. This explains why I switch to thinking about Berryessa after the initial stage of googling but Ill let you all read it.

I sent it to Morf and AK (due to the mk-ultra connection) and to Smithy who’s reaction was the same as mine (It involved swearing) lol.

I’m not looking for validation of any of this other than for someone else to think, HA! that’s kinda cool and weird and whaddya reckon? Should I post it as nice little bit of Zynchronicity?

Anywho, here’s the PM I sent to Morf and then AK and then Smithy.

I posted recently, and probably previously, that I’m not a natural researcher and I’m so not hence this PM rather than a post. Ok, here goes.

I was reading The Huff post and there’s an article on ‘Whitey’ Bulger’s upcoming federal trial. I won’t link cause it’s easy to find but something struck me about his photo. Oh it’s the same old thing of seeing Zodiac in other people’s photos. So it’s probably ridiculous but I looked for other images and there’s one of him in 57 or 58 with a furrowed brow that reminded me of the Stine composite. There’s later ones too with glasses. Now I did a brief check on his history and he was in Alcatraz and was released in 1965 and went on to work as a janitor and a construction worker.

I don’t know anything about him other that what I’ve read tonight and I’m not suggesting he’s Zodiac, there may be something really obvious that I don’t know about him that would rule him out immediately.

Then my thought’s turned to LB. That whole escaping from prison business. So I’ve now left the ‘Whitey’ thinking. I start to wonder if there’s just a prison break somewhere where a guard was killed and I decided to just search between 1950 and 1960. That’s when I found this.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=-P … lled&hl=en

Two escapes on the same day. The first story involves the killing of a guard. Start getting chills when when you read about how the guard’s body was positioned. But here’s the bit that caught my attention. One of the convicts was a forger from Montana by the name of "Don Gulovsen". So we have a prison break, a Montana connection, a guard being killed.

Now this is where it got weird.

I googled ‘Don Gulovsen’ and I found a listing here. http://www.alcatrazhistory.com/roster.htm

When you go there you will find a listing for a Donald H Gulovsen. Hit ctrl F and type Gulovsen and it will take you to it, you will need to do this because there’s a lot of names.

Look who the prisoner with the very next number is.

I have no idea how or why this happened, or if anything happened lol. These ‘pieces’ all followed each other and from start to finish and back again it was less than 30 mins.

Weird? Huh?

I’m happy to post it here because I see it as a slightly complicated and odd piece of Zync. Not just what happened but also the details involved, basically it’s laced with Zynchronicity with a nice little twist.

That’s pretty witchy, Trav!!

Here is what Ancestry has on Gulovsen but I think there is another resource for Alcatraz records. I’ll try to find it.

Alcatraz, California, U.S. Penitentiary, Prisoner Index, 1934-1963 about Donald Harry Gulovsen
Name: Donald Harry Gulovsen
Ethnicity: White
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1930
Birth Place: Denver, CO
Father’s Name: Harry Barkoff
Mother’s Name: Germain Guilleaumeau
Death Date: 28 Sep 1991
Date Recieved at Alcatraz: 4 Nov 1959
Incarceration Reason: NATIONAL MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT ACT
Place of Incarceration: Alcatraz, San Francisco, California
Transferred From: Cal
Old Box Number: G-10
New Box Number: 516
Shelf Location: 3136C
Inmate Number: 1427
Case File Screened: No
Pages in Case File: 200
Remarks: TN: BARKOFF, HARRY U., Jr. / OR DEATH INDEX; ca. 200 pp.

Whitey’s Alcatraz record-

Alcatraz, California, U.S. Penitentiary, Prisoner Index, 1934-1963 about James Joseph Bulger Jr.
Name: James Joseph Bulger Jr.
["Whitey" Bulger Jr.]
Ethnicity: White
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1929
Birth Place: Boston, MA
Father’s Name: James Joseph Bulger Sr.
Mother’s Name: Jane Veronica Mccarthy
Date Recieved at Alcatraz: 13 Nov 1959
Incarceration Reason: ROBBERY OF FDIC BANK
Place of Incarceration: Alcatraz, San Francisco, California
Transferred From: A
Old Box Number: B-25
New Box Number: 171 – 172
Shelf Location: 3134A
Inmate Number: 1428
Case File Screened: Yes
Pages in Case File: 800
Remarks: FBI’S TEN MOST WANTED LIST (08/20/99); ca. 800 pp.

This is where the Alcatraz Prison records are stored, I’m trying to figure out how accessible they are and so forth.

http://www.archives.gov/san-francisco/f … alpha.html

Cool.

Ha! I see there’s two Butterfields lol.

I also see that the National Archives for Southern Cal is at Riverside. Zynctastic this one lol.

http://www.archives.gov/riverside/