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Seagull
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I have not ever seen an ad for the Zodiac watches in all my searches for Zodiac articles in the Chronicle. I’ve looked at dozens of microfilm reels, even ones between the December 1968 LHR attack and the July 1969 BSR attack. It’s my understanding that Zodiac watch ads were in higher end men’s magazines like Esquire. Magazines with glossy pages.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : August 13, 2013 9:00 pm
ace ventura
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I bet every jewler /watch saleperson that sold those watches in 68 -70 ( when were the 1st made ?) was going to bed at nite thinking of who they sold one to.

 
Posted : August 14, 2013 5:45 am
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I have not ever seen an ad for the Zodiac watches in all my searches for Zodiac articles in the Chronicle. I’ve looked at dozens of microfilm reels, even ones between the December 1968 LHR attack and the July 1969 BSR attack. It’s my understanding that Zodiac watch ads were in higher end men’s magazines like Esquire. Magazines with glossy pages.

Rats! Another perfectly good crackpot theory shot down. ;)

 
Posted : August 14, 2013 2:00 pm
smithy
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http://cadencewatch.com/radian-watch-steel
Hee hee hee.

 
Posted : August 14, 2013 5:00 pm
smithy
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"Citizen" also make watches, of course.
http://www.citizenwatch.com/en-us/

 
Posted : August 16, 2013 1:56 am
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"Citizen" also make watches, of course.
http://www.citizenwatch.com/en-us/

I had the same thought a week or so ago lol.

Another speculative thought occurred to me about watches in this case. Assuming it was Z in Riverside, I wonder if he looked at his watch when he said "It’s about time". I just think if he wanted the statement to seem innocuous, for even a second, to add some extra distraction, just enough to grab Cheri Jo and have a reason to raise his arm. I also sadly wonder if she remembered that in the struggle and either for leverage in the fight or an attempt to leave evidence, made a point of grabbing the watch.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : August 16, 2013 2:08 am
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Trav, take a look at the Google images for "citizen autodater 7 case back" sometime eh? :lol:

Meantime, I think it’s pretty safe to say Z. wrote the letters re: Riverside, so there. Did he look at his watch when he wrote "it’s about time"? I wonder. How many references to "time" are there in the letters? Is that one in the Badlands text – right in the middle – intentional? Think he was really a chronophile, do you? ;)

I think poor Cherie Jo was fighting for her life. In the same circumstances I’m not sure any of us would be self-possessed enough to think about leaving evidence. "Leverage" of some sort, to push or pull her attackers arms away? Yep. Horrible.

 
Posted : August 16, 2013 2:28 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Across_the_Zodiac
Interesting! The book that introduced the word "astronaut" into the language. Zynchronicity.
Haven’t read it yet, but of course, I’m going to. :lol:
http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/09/3 … cord-1880/

 
Posted : August 19, 2013 9:45 pm
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I read this here – I haven’t checked it.
http://www.officialcoldcaseinvestigatio … php?t=3551
Here’s the text:

The Times Standard Friday, October 31, 1969

"SOMETHING TO DO"
CC ‘ZODIAC’ CONFESSES

Crescent City, Del Norte County Sheriff Tom Lawry said yesterday that a week of intense investigation has led to a 14-year-old boy as the writer of a letter to a local newspaper in which he pretended to be the "Zodiac Killer" and said he would kill children coming out for Halloween festivities.

"After comparison with hundreds of handwritings, with cooperation from the staff at Del Norte County High School," Lawry said, "The suspects were narrowed to two. The first interviewed was cleared by us, but the second, after recieving the Miranda warning, confessed the act."

"He said that he did it," Lawry added "For the want of something to do."

The letter read as follows:

"This is the zodiac speaking. I am in Crescent City. Halloween is a time very many children will come out. I will pick them off. If they do not come out, I will come in for them. Halloween is the witches’ rabbit. I will have a good time I am assured. Your attempts to capture me are futile."

Lawry said of course, that his office eliminated the real "Zodiac Killer" as the writer "early during the investigation," he said. Undersheriff Tom Hopper took a chartered plane to San Francisco and it was determined that the handwriting was not the same as those written by the killer.

"This investigation," Lawry added, "touched people in seven states, and it involved law enforcement departments throughout California, including the State Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation. On the local level, we examined 2,810 specimens of handwriting."

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A few things occured to me.

First, that this kid wrote in close to Halloween (I presume), and yet the cops found him before this article was published ON the 31st. Wow.
Second, that Undersheriff Tom Hopper "took a chartered plane to San Francisco" to compare evidence. Double wow.
Third, that they went through the exercise at all, and especially that they took it THIS seriously. Here on the board we often talk about how many people must have been writing in with stupid forgeries of letters, cards and so on – except here’s evidence that perhaps it wasn’t as common, at least in the northern part of the state, as we might have thought, since "law enforcement departments throughout California" got involved here with a letter sent in to a newspaper 350 miles north of San Francisco. Triple wow.

I bet the kid absolutely SH*T himself when the law showed up and read him his rights. I wish I’d seen it.

 
Posted : August 23, 2013 6:48 pm
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A few things occured to me.

First, that this kid wrote in close to Halloween (I presume), and yet the cops found him before this article was published ON the 31st. Wow.
Second, that Undersheriff Tom Hopper "took a chartered plane to San Francisco" to compare evidence. Double wow.
Third, that they went through the exercise at all, and especially that they took it THIS seriously. Here on the board we often talk about how many people must have been writing in with stupid forgeries of letters, cards and so on – except here’s evidence that perhaps it wasn’t as common, at least in the northern part of the state, as we might have thought, since "law enforcement departments throughout California" got involved here with a letter sent in to a newspaper 350 miles north of San Francisco. Triple wow.

I bet the kid absolutely SH*T himself when the law showed up and read him his rights. I wish I’d seen it.

Funny…I thought differently as I read your post.

First I thought it must have been damn similar to send someone via airplane to view the letter, and second, I thought more people involved in fakes (even 14 year olds) who apparently knew what to write as early as October, 1969….Halloween.

Hey–maybe this kid grew up still faking Zodiac stuff! Eureka! (near Crescent City – snowman card)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : August 23, 2013 7:06 pm
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The image Starless posted seems to contain cipher symbols:

I wonder if the kid bothered to encipher a message in it.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : August 23, 2013 7:13 pm
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Interesting stuff. I want to know what all the ‘7 ‘ are

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : August 23, 2013 7:31 pm
smithy
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Morf – yes, your points are equally interesting.
My immediate thought when I saw that stuff was that the lad wouldn’t have been so bored as to write valid cipher material, no.
I’ve been wrong before though, as is well known. ;)
It might be "408-stuff" again I suppose? One never knows. Perhaps Trav might polish it up a bit for us.
I think on the right that might say "Heineken" and round it, "Heineken Lager Beer Premium Quality". But that might just be ‘cos it’s Friday.

 
Posted : August 23, 2013 7:50 pm
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Can’t do anything with it I’m afraid. Starless seemed to imply she had already enhanced it. If someone could perhaps get an untouched original just in case I might have better luck with it. Probably not but you never know.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : August 23, 2013 9:41 pm
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Is this Zynchronomy? Zodiac appeared as Zodiac after Nixon became president. A persona on a mission reflecting political belief? or just the simple ones like , Allen being in riverside county the week that Cherri jo was killed. the most ironic of ironies is that there are 2500 suspects and/or persons of interest. The zodiac mystery endured now to the point over 40 years later that it has taken on a life of its own. So much information. So Little is known. There seemed to be a few "zodiacs" …there was the school teacher in Vallejo who owned the book,"most dangerous game" and wore a zodiac wristwatch…..then there was the greaty Zode who wrote on a chalk board in highschool in 1965 "I am the Zodiac." Melvin actually confronted the kid. Then there was the one that was the zodiac killer….who influenced who? will the real zodiac killer please leave a clue….The Zodiac killer was the most copycatted killer. There was a few other killers claiming to be zodiac. So many stepdads were called Zodiac in more recent years. The more I pour over the police reports and the profiles as well as the zodiacs prolific writing I find myself going in a circle, back to square one. I try not to add much that does not belong with the confirmed cases so somewhere in the core data something is missing. Nothing is a coincidence. I hope that now that the SF police has released their long held zodiac evidence to be tested that the truth comes out of it. We might say,"Well well well it was THAT guy the whole time"

 
Posted : September 3, 2013 4:56 pm
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