As for Allen was truly surprised and still am his hand writing was ruled out and closest I seen to Z. That said the dna and fingerprints seal it for me. Not to mention the sketches! He was a very big bald guy at the time and does not even remotely resemble any sketch.

Ps. the only better handwriting I seen that resembled Z other then ALA was Betty Harden. Most I seen she did was cursive though! Would love to seen her natural form other then a few identical letters that have us interested!

Kane has always been my POI and still is but I have never been able to get away from Allen being involved in some way. I can’t explain the DNA – I can’t explain the palm print or finger prints but there are to many other things.

Unfortunately, the only things that could convict Kane in a court of law don’t match between him & Zodiac. That being said, he’s essentially eliminated

Morf can understand the ALA interest but never could understand the Kane interest but to each their own!

By the way do miss WC who made some good points for Kane and investigated the Stine murder!

By the way do miss WC who made some good points for Kane and investigated the Stine murder!

I don’t think we can use appearance for almost every POI – WC helped me lean that direction however I already was leaning that way.

As for Alan. I’m not saying he’s the killer but he’s involved somehow and maybe that’s why we can pin the whole thing down.
He’s also pretty much the only one connected to Vallejo. One small thing – he’s the one guy I that I know of that seems to walk like Z.

By the way do miss WC who made some good points for Kane and investigated the Stine murder!

I don’t think we can use appearance for almost every POI – WC helped me lean that direction however I already was leaning that way.

As for Alan. I’m not saying he’s the killer but he’s involved somehow and maybe that’s why we can pin the whole thing down.
He’s also pretty much the only one connected to Vallejo. One small thing – he’s the one guy I that I know of that seems to walk like Z.

I just don’t see how these two guys could ever be mistaken for each other

Re: Allen…he was the first suspect I ever encountered in the Zodiac case and Graysmith makes a hard sell in the yellow book. Incredibly strong circumstantial case, even if half of it is true. That said, I’m not convinced that the fingerprint belongs to Zodiac. SFPD did find a palm print on a letter and said it was not Allen’s. DNA, well if he had someone else lick his stamps? Who knows. Allen’s reported IQ was what, 133 or 135? That said his weakness was for children. He left living child victims around the same time as the SRHM. Does this mean he could potentially sexually assault one child and let him live while around the same time his violence escalates and he kills female victims?

There’s Allen’s odd style of walking that may point to him being Z. But he doesn’t resemble the composite. Take with a grain of salt as eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. Mageau pointed him out. I believe I read that Hartnell didn’t.

I’ve often thought he was the killer but lately (and this is a watershed moment), I am beginning to doubt it. I wonder if I have dismissed the evidence ruling him out as Zodiac because of my personal conviction that he was the killer. Still, everything except the stuff that would lead to a conviction looks really good on paper.

Finally, the handwriting. Allen’s doesn’t look bad and I do think he was altering his writing. That said, one suspect’s writing is even closer than Allen’s and that is Fred Manalli’s. Even when there are differences, the phrases and subject matter are spot on. I can’t shake the belief that Manalli was involved in the Zodiac case in some way. My initial belief was Manalli was writing the letters and Allen was doing the killing. That would explain why the palm print didn’t match Allen’s, and why the DNA didn’t match, either. Throw out the fingerprint as spurious and I went from doubting myself to solving the case! We can shut the site down and I can collect my reward.

Often have wondered, and expressed here, if Donald Fouke was ever taken to observe Allen. Or if he was ever shown pictures of Manalli as well? Police are fallible like everyone else. It was a potentially rushed, tense situation so who knows what details he took in on someone he didn’t expect to be the suspect.

Morph I was more curious about your thoughts cocnnring the possibility. Of Alan not being the killer but still being involved.
Your thoughts?

Re: Allen…he was the first suspect I ever encountered in the Zodiac case and Graysmith makes a hard sell in the yellow book. Incredibly strong circumstantial case, even if half of it is true. That said, I’m not convinced that the fingerprint belongs to Zodiac. SFPD did find a palm print on a letter and said it was not Allen’s. DNA, well if he had someone else lick his stamps? Who knows. Allen’s reported IQ was what, 133 or 135? That said his weakness was for children. He left living child victims around the same time as the SRHM. Does this mean he could potentially sexually assault one child and let him live while around the same time his violence escalates and he kills female victims?

There’s Allen’s odd style of walking that may point to him being Z. But he doesn’t resemble the composite. Take with a grain of salt as eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. Mageau pointed him out. I believe I read that Hartnell didn’t.

I’ve often thought he was the killer but lately (and this is a watershed moment), I am beginning to doubt it. I wonder if I have dismissed the evidence ruling him out as Zodiac because of my personal conviction that he was the killer. Still, everything except the stuff that would lead to a conviction looks really good on paper.

Finally, the handwriting. Allen’s doesn’t look bad and I do think he was altering his writing. That said, one suspect’s writing is even closer than Allen’s and that is Fred Manalli’s. Even when there are differences, the phrases and subject matter are spot on. I can’t shake the belief that Manalli was involved in the Zodiac case in some way. My initial belief was Manalli was writing the letters and Allen was doing the killing. That would explain why the palm print didn’t match Allen’s, and why the DNA didn’t match, either. Throw out the fingerprint as spurious and I went from doubting myself to solving the case! We can shut the site down and I can collect my reward.

Often have wondered, and expressed here, if Donald Fouke was ever taken to observe Allen. Or if he was ever shown pictures of Manalli as well? Police are fallible like everyone else. It was a potentially rushed, tense situation so who knows what details he took in on someone he didn’t expect to be the suspect.

Great post – thank you