There is also a chance he walked there from north or south at the halfway point between the road and the attack site.

The doc and his son saw a man (which I believe was their attacker) walking halfway between the road and the lake and when they noticed him, he turned away. This man did the same thing with the girls.

Weir – thanks very much, and you’re so right about that "heap of difference" I think.

There is also a chance he walked there from north or south at the halfway point between the road and the attack site.
The doc and his son saw a man (which I believe was their attacker) walking halfway between the road and the lake and when they noticed him, he turned away. This man did the same thing with the girls.

T., yes indeedy, but where were the doc and his son where they saw him? $64k question, no?

Weir – thanks very much, and you’re so right about that "heap of difference" I think.

There is also a chance he walked there from north or south at the halfway point between the road and the attack site.
The doc and his son saw a man (which I believe was their attacker) walking halfway between the road and the lake and when they noticed him, he turned away. This man did the same thing with the girls.

T., yes indeedy, but where were the doc and his son where they saw him? $64k question, no?

North a bit. Of course we cannot pinpoint the EXACT location they were standing, but it was determined this was general area. The police reports states the doc & son were approximatley 8/10ths of a mile from the attack site. The 3 girls were a bit north of the doc and his son.

B & C attacks site at bottom.

BOTH the girls and the doc and son say the man would look away when they looked at him.

I think this man WAS stalking potential victims and certainly didn’t want people to get a look at him.

T., nice.
The girls parked above the beach – right at the top left of your slice of Google eh? (Is that Acorn or Coyote?)
Their "stalker" drove up from the south (arriving in the opposite direction to them, he didn’t follow them), he arrived simultaneously, parked bumper-to-bumper with them (well yes, he would have to if the parking area was just a scrape off the side of Knoxville Road) – and D. and Wayne parked there too.

Their guy’s car had gone by 4:20 though so evidently he’d become bored…. the attack on Bryan and Cecelia occured a lot later (at what time exactly, I wonder?)

Doctor Clifton Rayfield and son David Lee saw their guy after they’d parked at 6:30. They also parked above the beach area and were going down toward it.
(In the same place as the girls had parked earlier? Think the guy who’d parked there went back there? You never know.)
No, it wasn’t 8/10ths of a mile from the attack spot though, it was 8 /10ths from "the victims vehicle". Perhaps that was measured by driving along Knoxville Road between the parking site and the spot where the VW was, rather than with a map, eh?

Either it’s the distance between the crime scene and the beach and where the Doctor and Dave saw the guy, or it’s the timescale of the attack compared to when Doc’n’Dave saw him, or both, but the good police officers of Napa don’t think he’s anything to do with the case, their guy. Detective Sgts Narlow and Lonergan wrote "In the opinion of R/O’s, it is unlikely, unless this male subject had a vehicle in the immediate area, he could have traversed the area to the scene of the crime on foot. There are four coves of water between the scene of the crime and the area where the doctor saw the subject. The interview with Doctor Rayfield and his son was terminated at that point."

They stopped the interview as soon as they realised there was a problem with time and distance. What do we make of that?

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Either it’s the distance between the crime scene and the beach and where the Doctor and Dave saw the guy, or it’s the timescale of the attack compared to when Doc’n’Dave saw him, or both, but the good police officers of Napa don’t think he’s anything to do with the case, their guy. Detective Sgts Narlow and Lonergan wrote "In the opinion of R/O’s, it is unlikely, unless this male subject had a vehicle in the immediate area, he could have traversed the area to the scene of the crime on foot. There are four coves of water between the scene of the crime and the area where the doctor saw the subject. The interview with Doctor Rayfield and his son was terminated at that point."

They stopped the interview as soon as they realised there was a problem with time and distance. What do we make of that?

Ugh…that statement has ALWAYS bothered me.

We KNOW the doc & son saw the guy walking halfway between the road and the lake. It’s very possible.

Time wise. Many seem to take it as 100% fact that at exactly 6:30pm Zodiac wrote on that car door. Give or take on either end…no issues there.

Solar Pons made an excellent point on the old mb once. In general she wrote that someone watching people, in the way the girls described was abnormal behavior. Now we have THREE men of the same general build and dress (on a summer like day when everyone else is sunbathing, etc) within a couple hours of each other all lurking the hills of Berryessa, in the same general area….creepy, and I strongly feel it is the same man.

This man of "heavy build" was traversing the hillsides walking the coves…stalking his "prey"…this is how he "found them".

(and yes..correction..8/10ths from B’s car.)

The foot paths in the area of the Lake Berryessa killing are not easy to traverse. Zodiac was a Hunter, as evidenced in his first cipher
where he discusses killing large game in the forest. He came the way he left, by way of Napa, back to the Bay Area where he lived, safely
again into a different county. IMO I was taken to the scene of the murders, many times unbeknownst to me, by my suspect.
There is now a parking lot called Skittle Creek, which I’m not sure existed at the time of the killing. We would sit under trees where there is
an inlet of water, he walk off to the right around a corner where the island is, so I personally know there is plenty of cover. When the summer grows
long the water dries up in the Lake, and the island is accessible by foot. As my suspect explained to me once when we were there and the water was up.
If that was Zodiac parked behind the Ghia with all the mismatched tires it would also lend to him being a younger guy who puts whatever he can afford on
his vehicle. My suspect could hot wire just about any car in those days so Z could have used any car…IMO.

Thanks 1WK, and we need to go back to those mismatched tires, don’t we?
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Ugh…that statement has ALWAYS bothered me.

Me too. I don’t understand it. As I said, it seems to me very much like they thought the perp would have been into a car and away by the time the good Doctor reports seeing him…. Hmmm. Since the radio call went out from HQ at 7:00, I find that a bit odd.

This man of "heavy build" was traversing the hillsides walking the coves…stalking his "prey"…this is how he "found them".

Not driving then, and not following them on the road? No. I must say, I’m inclined to believe you.

Say, how did the attacker know the car they were driving? Unless he saw it up on the road, that is?
Even when he asks for the keys and Bryan finds them for him, there’s no record of Bryan describing the car.
That makes sense if he had no intention of stealing it, but no sense if he wanted to go and write on it.

The key to the Ghia I owned looked just like this one:

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And so far as I remember, it also had a smaller key for the doors and ‘glove box.’

-glurk

Ah many thanks, glurk. And the "two keys" knowledge is good to have, too.
No wonder he didn’t ask them what kind of car it was.
And even though he left the keys behind and Bryan picked them back up (?) the shape of that key might have been a lasting little reminder to mention "Volkswagen" when making the telephone call too, huh? Perhaps.
Perhaps perhaps perhaps.

Say, how did the attacker know the car they were driving? Unless he saw it up on the road, that is?
Even when he asks for the keys and Bryan finds them for him, there’s no record of Bryan describing the car.
That makes sense if he had no intention of stealing it, but no sense if he wanted to go and write on it.

No doubt he saw the car.

Ah many thanks, glurk. And the "two keys" knowledge is good to have, too.
No wonder he didn’t ask them what kind of car it was.
And even though he left the keys behind and Bryan picked them back up (?) the shape of that key might have been a lasting little reminder to mention "Volkswagen" when making the telephone call too, huh? Perhaps.
Perhaps perhaps perhaps.

Quite chilling really. "I just want your car" (to write on), "I’m not afraid to kill again" (I’m going to kill you). IF he saw the keys it was just confirmation that the car he thought was theirs, was theirs.

Yeah good query about the keys Smithy. Did Bryan retrieve them or were they swept up in the blanket by the ranger? The keys went to the hospital didn’t they? and the rest of the stuff? Just to the rangers station or to the station and then to the hospital to be collated with the rest of the evidence? or from the scene to the hospital?

Lonergan came back from the hospital with the keys, apparently. (They’re a whole other story, those keys!)