Ok thank you. There are no letters missing including the E or the word slaves its in there.

Not without the letter V it isn’t.

Ok thank you. There are no letters missing including the E or the word slaves its in there.

Not without the letter V it isn’t.

Yes, it seems I did in fact leave out the V so lets take a look shall we?

UPDATE : Letter V included

BY P = By Pi
Pi = 3.1415926
3. 1 4 15 9 26
C A D O I Z = ZODIAC

F A G F=6 A=1 G=7 6+1+7 = 14 ( 4TEEN )
I R U I=9 R=18 U=21 = 48
R A N R=18 A=1 N=14 = 33
K C R K=11 C=3 R=18 = 32
N E O N=14 E=5 O=15 = 34
I P I=9 P=16 = 25
F E F=6 E=5 = 11
E E = 5

ALL NUMBERS LINED UP IN ROW
14 48 33 32 34 25 11 5
S L E V D E E S
S=19 L=12 E=5 (V)=22 D=4 E=5 E=5 S=19 = (91) < V added here in line with where it should have been
14+48+33+32+34+25+11+5+91(V) = 293 < New solution using V
2+9+3= 14 or 4TEEN < Still 14 or 4TEEN

4 T E E N
T=20 E=5 E=5 N=14 = 44
(44)(4)= 176 or 1+7+6= (14) (4TEEN)
44 divided ( By ) 14 = 3.14 = ( Pi )

You have in all reality just made my solution smaller and easier to understand. It seems that by leaving out the missing V I had to go thru a few extra sequence’s to get to the end. Go ahead break out the calculator the ANSWER IS STILL ( 14 ) or 4TEEN the key. Now can we focus on the subject at hand?

CipherMatrix

Thank you for making my solution easier.

I’m here to help.

I don’t do smart or cocky and I don’t do maths. I simply wanted to understand why you claimed that all you had done was realign and not removed any letters when anyone could see that you had. I’m glad it helped you realise your own mistake (a completely forgivable one of course). I guess if my head was filled with sweetie mice and numbers I might forget how my eyes work too. Now that was me being smart lol. Just friendly banter.

Like I said in my advice to you in your intro thread – it’s a good thing that the work is challenged.

Maybe you would be better off not trying to make everyone else’s idea’s look bad instead of maybe, I don’t know, produce something yourself???

Maybe you should be more careful how you speak to people. I can’t get too mad because I’ve been around enough years now to see that rather petulant and childish insult used by many people . If you talk to any other member like that however you will be warned and then banned before you can count to 0 nevermind 1.

For your own sake don’t test me on that. Is that Clear?

As most are aware the Zodiac had constructed a letter to authorities known now as the Exorcist letter. If you notice, at the bottom of this letter is a symbol which had so badly boggled the minds of experts that it was in fact "classified" for some time before being released to the public ( historical fact Google it ). While pondering upon this symbol a rather shocking realization settled into my very being. I remember in my studies in the past of once reading a particular book. Well as it turns out this book is in fact the solution to the puzzle, however, its a complicated work so you’ll have to read it for yourselves to fully understand.

Attached below is the Exorcist symbol beside the symbol found on the book. As you can most plainly see by simply reversing the K you have a very close match and if you study the puzzle you realize that if you move the symbol that the K is sitting on over the A you have a complete A and you can plainly see the F also. The name KAFKA on the book only consists of the letters K,A,F, all of which are found on the Zodiac letter.
Looking into this book, its rather interesting in that the main characters name is K . Another interesting fact about this book is that it was never finished but ended mid sentence because the author died before its completion.

Could be.

That’s the problem I see with these vague symbols, they ‘could be’ anything. That being said though, I like the observation concerning KAFKA only containing K.A.F. The reason being that it strays towards being monogramming. Look at the ‘batwing’ symbol (as I call it) on the halloween card interior and envelope. I’ve often wondered if it isn’t meant to be something akin to a monogram. It’s not dissimilar actually in some aspects of its shape and for to the ‘mess’ at the bottom of the Exorcist letter.

I noticed too that the Exorcist doodle had been with-held. It was whited-out when the Chronicle printed it in their article of Jan 31, 1974.

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Most likely at the insistence of LE to weed out hoaxers or encourage him to keep writing by trying to get rise out of him by, in a way, censoring his letter.

Yes, you are 100% correct ……. they also changed the symbols on the 340 before it was released to the public. Just a matter of filling in empty triangles and adding dots into other symbols. It is my belief that they had very strong reasons to believe that Zodiac was trying to communicate with others through his letters and ciphers. Whether or not these "others" were accomplice’s or the public in general I do not know.

Yes, you are 100% correct ……. they also changed the symbols on the 340 before it was released to the public. Just a matter of filling in empty triangles and adding dots into other symbols.

That’s an incredible claim hahahaha. Pretty cool though I have to say. I am obliged to ask though is this ‘fact’ documented anywhere? I doubt it is because I don’t think I’ve ever heard that one.

Pretty cool though, as I said. That could be a theory on it’s own. I wonder if we reverse engineered that what it would do to the 340 tackling it as a homophonic sub.

Naaah.

When I posted this statement I indeed seen this answer being brought forth first, never mind I said ‘I have cracked MOST aspects of the case’.

Which ones, for example?

My mathematical work is 100% my own and original besides the Zodiac=Pi which any true sleuth should of course know by now.

No, Zodiac is not =Pi.

I’ll also have you know that TIMES17 ( TIMES is an anagram for ITS ME ) is based on binary to morse ( which I do not use often I use binary ) which is now selling for $300 plus and a copy is sitting as we speak in the Library Of Congress.

???

Looking at the famous 340 Zodiac cipher/code one thing stands out above all others in that there are simple "dots" within the block matrix placed at "6" intervals.

Not really, as most of its homophones sort of behave like that.

This very strongly hints at this cipher/code being binary in nature as dots are used as place holders in binary math without which would make little sense.

Why?

ADGIB working backwords in exact order equals "BIG DA" or D=4 A=1 thus : "BIG14"

No, BIG41, if at all.

If you find a solid solution, go for it. But I’d rather think about those issues first.

QT

A rather overwhelming reply to keep up with, however, in order as you bring up your issues :

Q. "Which ones, for example?".
A. I’m still working on the 340 as it is rather time consuming because I believe that not only is this "code" ( its not a cipher ) binary in nature as said before but also uses a 14 (4TEEN) bases Caesar Shift to father hide the final solution. Everything else is a go just direct me please to the correct thread in which you would like me to post my solution.

Q. "No, Zodiac is not =Pi." ( more like a statement )
A. Yes, Zodiac in fact equals Pi as already shown before by people who where in Mensa which is only for the top 2% I.Q in the world so I like to lean towards them and not others .
ZODIAC = Pi
Pi = 3.1415926

Using the simplest of substitution method of letters to numbers as in A=1 and Z=26 and using Pi = 3.141592654 we get the following.

3 = C 1 = A 4 = D 15 = 0 9 = I 26 = Z

3. 1 4 15 9 26
C A D O I Z

CADOIZ is a perfect anagram of ZODIAC. Simple really cant see why you would deny this fact?

Q. ??? ( in reference to TIMES17 )
A. In case you have not read this work it is a mathematical masterpiece based on the Zodiac case by a one Gareth Penn. I use this example because he ( also a former member of Mensa ) also uses binary in this work which was so accurate it turned him into an F.B.I suspect in the Z murders. Also I assure you that they do not put elementary books into the Library Of Congress thus adding more solidity to my idea’s with binary math being utilized in Z’s work. I can understand if you had not read this work as it is very complicated and very few understand its contents without breaking out a $130 Texas Instrument calculator.

Q. "No, BIG41, if at all."
A. Confused, I said working backwards did I not ?n If the letters work backwards then the numbers MUST also work backwards. The Zodiac used every method to deceive and one must realize this before you begin studying the case.

Yours CipherMatrix

CM, nice you mention Mensa – nevertheless – anagramming & numerological stuff imo is coincidential, although funny that it leads to the ZODIAC letters. However, Zodiac is not derived from pi but rather the Greek word zodiacos, meaning circle. And you mentioned ADGIB reversed, this is BIGDA with D=4 and A=1 still being BIG41 and not BIG14. So IF you do it backwards, you end up with 41. If you do part like this, part like that, you probably will end up with Z’s mother’s maiden name including a description of her pet. Nothing overwhelming there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac

Sorry but I can’t and won’t follow.

QT

C A D O I Z

CADOIZ is a perfect anagram of ZODIAC. Simple really cant see why you would deny this fact?

Q. ??? ( in reference to TIMES17 )
A. In case you have not read this work it is a mathematical masterpiece based on the Zodiac case by a one Gareth Penn. I use this example because he ( also a former member of Mensa ) also uses binary in this work which was so accurate it turned him into an F.B.I suspect in the Z murders.

…and yet in those hundreds of pages, the "mathematical masterpiece" failed to yield the results of the 340.

While CADOIZ may anagram to "Zodiac" it does not = Zodiac. It equals CADOIZ.

When someone posts a coherent result of the 340, I’ll be all ears.

U2S… ding, ding ding!

C A D O I Z

CADOIZ is a perfect anagram of ZODIAC. Simple really cant see why you would deny this fact?

Q. ??? ( in reference to TIMES17 )
A. In case you have not read this work it is a mathematical masterpiece based on the Zodiac case by a one Gareth Penn. I use this example because he ( also a former member of Mensa ) also uses binary in this work which was so accurate it turned him into an F.B.I suspect in the Z murders.

…and yet in those hundreds of pages, the "mathematical masterpiece" failed to yield the results of the 340.

While CADOIZ may anagram to "Zodiac" it does not = Zodiac. It equals CADOIZ.

When someone posts a coherent result of the 340, I’ll be all ears.

U2S… ding, ding ding!

Well, the first 5 letters would actually be enough…

QT

Yes, you are 100% correct ……. they also changed the symbols on the 340 before it was released to the public. Just a matter of filling in empty triangles and adding dots into other symbols.

That’s an incredible claim hahahaha. Pretty cool though I have to say. I am obliged to ask though is this ‘fact’ documented anywhere? I doubt it is because I don’t think I’ve ever heard that one.

Pretty cool though, as I said. That could be a theory on it’s own. I wonder if we reverse engineered that what it would do to the 340 tackling it as a homophonic sub.

Yes, there is proof ….. Gareth Penn released the "real" original 340 numerous times in his work. His father had worked in the SFPD at some time during the murders and had access to all the Zodiac originals.

C A D O I Z

CADOIZ is a perfect anagram of ZODIAC. Simple really cant see why you would deny this fact?

Q. ??? ( in reference to TIMES17 )
A. In case you have not read this work it is a mathematical masterpiece based on the Zodiac case by a one Gareth Penn. I use this example because he ( also a former member of Mensa ) also uses binary in this work which was so accurate it turned him into an F.B.I suspect in the Z murders.

…and yet in those hundreds of pages, the "mathematical masterpiece" failed to yield the results of the 340.

While CADOIZ may anagram to "Zodiac" it does not = Zodiac. It equals CADOIZ.

When someone posts a coherent result of the 340, I’ll be all ears.

U2S… ding, ding ding!

That last part is very interesting "When someone posts a coherent result of the 340, I’ll be all ears", however, I do beg to differ…… apparently people already have "their own" idea’s of what the 340 is and no matter what coherent solution one may offer, unless its what the reader WANTS to here, it will be ignored.

Naaah.

When I posted this statement I indeed seen this answer being brought forth first, never mind I said ‘I have cracked MOST aspects of the case’.

Which ones, for example?

My mathematical work is 100% my own and original besides the Zodiac=Pi which any true sleuth should of course know by now.

No, Zodiac is not =Pi.

I’ll also have you know that TIMES17 ( TIMES is an anagram for ITS ME ) is based on binary to morse ( which I do not use often I use binary ) which is now selling for $300 plus and a copy is sitting as we speak in the Library Of Congress.

???

Looking at the famous 340 Zodiac cipher/code one thing stands out above all others in that there are simple "dots" within the block matrix placed at "6" intervals.

Not really, as most of its homophones sort of behave like that.

This very strongly hints at this cipher/code being binary in nature as dots are used as place holders in binary math without which would make little sense.

Why?

ADGIB working backwords in exact order equals "BIG DA" or D=4 A=1 thus : "BIG14"

No, BIG41, if at all.

If you find a solid solution, go for it. But I’d rather think about those issues first.

QT

A rather overwhelming reply to keep up with, however, in order as you bring up your issues :

Q. "Which ones, for example?".
A. I’m still working on the 340 as it is rather time consuming because I believe that not only is this "code" ( its not a cipher ) binary in nature as said before but also uses a 14 (4TEEN) bases Caesar Shift to father hide the final solution. Everything else is a go just direct me please to the correct thread in which you would like me to post my solution.

Q. "No, Zodiac is not =Pi." ( more like a statement )
A. Yes, Zodiac in fact equals Pi as already shown before by people who where in Mensa which is only for the top 2% I.Q in the world so I like to lean towards them and not others .
ZODIAC = Pi
Pi = 3.1415926

Using the simplest of substitution method of letters to numbers as in A=1 and Z=26 and using Pi = 3.141592654 we get the following.

3 = C 1 = A 4 = D 15 = 0 9 = I 26 = Z

3. 1 4 15 9 26
C A D O I Z

CADOIZ is a perfect anagram of ZODIAC. Simple really cant see why you would deny this fact?

Q. ??? ( in reference to TIMES17 )
A. In case you have not read this work it is a mathematical masterpiece based on the Zodiac case by a one Gareth Penn. I use this example because he ( also a former member of Mensa ) also uses binary in this work which was so accurate it turned him into an F.B.I suspect in the Z murders. Also I assure you that they do not put elementary books into the Library Of Congress thus adding more solidity to my idea’s with binary math being utilized in Z’s work. I can understand if you had not read this work as it is very complicated and very few understand its contents without breaking out a $130 Texas Instrument calculator.

Q. "No, BIG41, if at all."
A. Confused, I said working backwards did I not ?n If the letters work backwards then the numbers MUST also work backwards. The Zodiac used every method to deceive and one must realize this before you begin studying the case.

Yours CipherMatrix

CM, nice you mention Mensa – nevertheless – anagramming & numerological stuff imo is coincidential, although funny that it leads to the ZODIAC letters. However, Zodiac is not derived from pi but rather the Greek word zodiacos, meaning circle. And you mentioned ADGIB reversed, this is BIGDA with D=4 and A=1 still being BIG41 and not BIG14. So IF you do it backwards, you end up with 41. If you do part like this, part like that, you probably will end up with Z’s mother’s maiden name including a description of her pet. Nothing overwhelming there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac

Sorry but I can’t and won’t follow.

QT

You confuse me truly. Are you to say that the Zodiac killer who used numbers and math in everything he had done including ciphers, codes, radians, maps, angles, diagrams, ect, did not incorporate mathematics into his work? What your saying here is that on the Phillips66 map and cipher complete with the radian and code does not incorporate mathematics? He was using math, otherwise, please tell me how he calculated the radian on the Phillips66 map? He used math and was very smart and that my friend is why he was never arrested because while everyone was looking into insane asylums for a cackling maniac ( just like he wanted ) the clever and calculating Zodiac escaped into the Sunset.

Looking at the famous 340 Zodiac cipher/code one thing stands out above all others in that there are simple "dots" within the block matrix placed at "6" intervals. This very strongly hints at this cipher/code being binary in nature as dots are used as place holders in binary math without which would make little sense. These dots are placed as such within the matrix grid :
The first dot counting from the top to the right appears after the (28) symbols. The second appears after the next (86) symbols. The third appears again after the next (86) symbols. The fourth appears after the following (31) symbols. The fifth appears after the next (25) symbols. The final and sixth appears following the next (8) symbols in the graph. Next there are (73) symbols until the end of the graph with no dot place holder.

28 86 86 31 25 8 73

This, from your original post, is itself incorrect. There are indeed six "dot" symbols in the 340 cipher. So, if your numbers are to represent the # of symbols ‘between’ the dots, we can just add them together:

(Note: This is not mathemagic or anything fancy like that, just basic addition and subtraction)

28 + 86 + 86 + 31 + 25 + 8 + 73 = 337
And 340 – 337 = 3

So where did the other 3 dots go? You counted incorrectly. So your entire base premise falls apart from that alone.
It doesn’t really matter what they are in binary, or in morse, since you failed to even make a correct count to begin with.

-glurk

EDIT: Made a spelling correction.