Hello friends.
So boy this case is a cluster with false info and conflicting reports.
So after reading alot of the wonderful work you folks have done here. I have come to some conclusions.
one the Zodiac was at least 30 in 69 or 70.
Hand writing is neat but is can be manipulated and is open to human interpretation.
The Wing Walker boots are a dead end and could have been bought second hand.
The other ciphers were gibberish and meant to waste LEO’s time.
Zodiac Killed in Bates in riverside.
Zodiac did not abducted Kathleen Johns.
Zodiac was seen up close in personal by Zelms and Foulke the night of the Stine murders.
Zodiac screwed up big time some way with Stine.
There is something that is being withheld from the public in the Stine case and is the key to Zodiac’s ID.
Zodiac either had clear medical divisibility that prevented him from killing or was dead by 77.
after a few years of reading and disqualification of the known suspects i have my POI’s
My research has eliminated GYKE & Allen .
GYKE is a huge waste of time.
My top POI’s are Marshall , Sullivan , Manili and i am open to Kane and other non main suspects.
Lastly Ken Narlow had the best grip on the case of all the investigators.
Would you care to expand on how you eliminated GYKE & ALA and why Marshall is your top suspect?
Remember he could have only looked to be 30. With or without a disguise. I see no reason why he would have had to have been dead in 1977. Maybe he moved. Maybe he was in Atlanta or other places as some crazy letters claimed.
Maybe the heat was too much. And he went to Oklahoma. ( a called said that)
Would you care to expand on how you eliminated GYKE & ALA and why Marshall is your top suspect?
Sadly the evidence is not there for ALA to many disqualification from a evidence standpoint.
He’s the only suspect we know has been investigated throughly.
lol on Gyke. No evidence at all points to him all hear say and a Tom Voigt crusade .
I doubt Zodiac was a gay newspaper editor with no criminal background.
Onto Marshall he’s smug in the interview he gave let me try to quote him " well It makes sense they would investigate me a lot things line up but I’m not Zodiac "
Did not police go to see him on his death bed hoping for a confession ?
Also Sullivan and Kane look better as suspects as time passes.
Facts we have for poi elimination are
Zodiac wore a size 10.5 shoe ! This is a great overlooked cool.
He was a white male 5.9 or taller
He was heavy set . So goodbye anyone under 220 pounds.
Really disappeared by the early 70’s and dead before the David fincher movie came out. Why do I say that ? Because you really don’t think He would’ve sent another letter to review the film.
Hell I bet you he was dead when the Graysmith first book came out.
There is no way he would not have commented on the book.
I would love some feedback.
This is a great site with a lot of smart people.
Would you care to expand on how you eliminated GYKE & ALA and why Marshall is your top suspect?
Sadly the evidence is not there for ALA to many disqualification from a evidence standpoint.
He’s the only suspect we know has been investigated throughly.lol on Gyke. No evidence at all points to him all hear say and a Tom Voigt crusade .
I doubt Zodiac was a gay newspaper editor with no criminal background.Onto Marshall he’s smug in the interview he gave let me try to quote him " well It makes sense they would investigate me a lot things line up but I’m not Zodiac "
Did not police go to see him on his death bed hoping for a confession ?Also Sullivan and Kane look better as suspects as time passes.
Well I don’t think GYKE or ALA are involved but if your reason for discounting ALA is because he was cleared by evidence then so was Marshall…
Would you care to expand on how you eliminated GYKE & ALA and why Marshall is your top suspect?
Sadly the evidence is not there for ALA to many disqualification from a evidence standpoint.
He’s the only suspect we know has been investigated throughly.lol on Gyke. No evidence at all points to him all hear say and a Tom Voigt crusade .
I doubt Zodiac was a gay newspaper editor with no criminal background.Onto Marshall he’s smug in the interview he gave let me try to quote him " well It makes sense they would investigate me a lot things line up but I’m not Zodiac "
Did not police go to see him on his death bed hoping for a confession ?Also Sullivan and Kane look better as suspects as time passes.
Well I don’t think GYKE or ALA are involved but if your reason for discounting ALA is because he was cleared by evidence then so was Marshall…
When ? I have not seen that information.
Hand writing is neat but is can be manipulated and is open to human interpretation.
Are you familiar with the New York Zodiac copycat killer? He was convicted based on a lot of forensic evidence. But he was caught because he was arrested for an unrelated crime and the det. who was working on the Zodiac case saw his handwriting and immediately knew that it was his guy. That guy wasn’t an expert, or even any credentials as a hand writing examiner, he was just a cop who knew the handwriting as well as many people here for the SF Zodiac.
That really set aside any doubts I had about the handwriting.
I doubt Zodiac was a gay newspaper editor with no criminal background.
But you think that it’s more likely he was a gay movie theater owner with no criminal background?
No offense, I don’t really understand the logic in some of your statements like that one. Also why do you think Zodiac as a senior citizen would be more likely to respond to the 2007 Zodiac movie than about any of the previous ones? I can understand if you think that he wouldn’t have, IE., that he was dead before any of the Zodiac movies. But don’t you think he would’ve commented on Dirty Harry, which was obviously based on himself and Toschi which came out in 1971?
Valid point on Marshall . Yet are we sure he has no criminal record he used many alias and heck Mr X is looking more interesting to me as of late.
My opinions change often in this case the only one I am truly steadfast on is Gyke was not zodiac.
I am certainly not well-informed enough to have a meaningful opinion on whether or not Gyke was the Zodiac. But I know for certain that one of the pieces of evidence that is often cited against him is inaccurate.
They say that his paper, "Good Times", sometimes ran sensationalist Zodiac Killer headlines that were out of place. I looked these up. Turns out, they are all headlines at the top of the "Good Times" astrology column.
A reference to the Zodiac in an astrology column isn’t out of place! These headlines were just jokes — dark, kind of tasteless jokes, but jokes.
Here’s a link to an example:
(Of course, this doesn’t prove he didn’t do it. Just that this particular piece of evidence doesn’t mean anything.)
The other ciphers were gibberish and meant to waste LEO’s time.
Disagree on that one, at least as long as I can find up to eight words or more in the Z340. Agree on it, however, that some ciphers never might be solved.
Zodiac did not abducted Kathleen Johns.
That’d mean KJ had either halluzinations or had lied when recognizing the sketch at the police station. She had gotten there in a hysterical condition, thus must have ‘acted’ to recognize the sketch. Also, her car was burnt down..would she have done all that by herself? Or, if she was ‘abducted’ by somebody else, would she really forget his face? Or was he a double or twin brother of Z who had abducted her? Big hmmm on that one. Was there any radio report about Z that KJ could have had listened to when driving towards the Bay area?
There is something that is being withheld from the public in the Stine case and is the key to Zodiac’s ID.
Except Joe Stine’s alibi, what should that be?
Lastly Ken Narlow had the best grip on the case of all the investigators.
Not to forget that Z had written that Toschi would leave him alone, sooner or later. Z’s name should be in Toschi’s documentation.
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
The other ciphers were gibberish and meant to waste LEO’s time.
Disagree on that one, at least as long as I can find up to eight words or more in the Z340. Agree on it, however, that some ciphers never might be solved.
Zodiac did not abducted Kathleen Johns.
That’d mean KJ had either halluzinations or had lied when recognizing the sketch at the police station. She had gotten there in a hysterical condition, thus must have ‘acted’ to recognize the sketch. Also, her car was burnt down..would she have done all that by herself? Or, if she was ‘abducted’ by somebody else, would she really forget his face? Or was he a double or twin brother of Z who had abducted her? Big hmmm on that one. Was there any radio report about Z that KJ could have had listened to when driving towards the Bay area?
There is something that is being withheld from the public in the Stine case and is the key to Zodiac’s ID.
Except Joe Stine’s alibi, what should that be?
Lastly Ken Narlow had the best grip on the case of all the investigators.
Not to forget that Z had written that Toschi would leave him alone, sooner or later. Z’s name should be in Toschi’s documentation.
QT
It can only be a cipher with meaning behind it if it was written in some very weird language only known to the zodiac, since it wasn’t solved in 50 years and that guy was no "cipher genius" just a hobbist (probably read the Bernice Kohn’s books), according to Donald Harden after he cracked the 408 cipher.
Kathleen Jones is NOT a zodiac victim IMHO, he read about her story in the news; since it mentioned him, it must have been printed in the SF Chronicle and in other local paepers in the Bay Area for him to encounter. She must’ve been abducted by some crazy weirdo/psycho who just happened to have a crew-cut and rimmed glasses. The sketch doesn’t even seems to fit a person of the zodiac’s weight (above 100 kg) if you ask me.
The 1978 letter is fake as heck. I doubt zodiac even lived beyond 1975. he sounded like he was in a very progressive phase of mental illness, and those guys never live long, he was probably declining fast (with his weight, PERHAPS diabetes?) and if he didn’t bothered to respond to Paul Avery’s article claiming zodiac was killed by policemen in 1976 while trying to cause an arson (IIRC), and that kind of publicity which harms his "reputation" is what drove that fatso nutts, if he was alive to read it he was surly to communicate and debunking this claim.
That’s my poi: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=4009
Huuhh he said Kathleen Jones Bevis.