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Tahoe27
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Yeah, this stuff is so far afield from the Zodiac case it might as well be a discussion on hydroponic crop rotations on a terraformed Mars in the year 2969.

That is the most bizarre analogy I have ever heard. I love it. :lol:


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : May 19, 2015 9:23 am
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:D

 
Posted : May 19, 2015 7:10 pm
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I think this guy was involved in the Zodiac group.
He wasn’t a raving Satanist, in my opinion. He was something else entirely.
http://exposinginfragard.blogspot.co.uk … tanic.html
Some more detailed information in this link:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha … ersion.htm

 
Posted : May 27, 2015 5:38 am
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Just wondering, Darla, while doing all this research on The Process have you found that they were ever arrested for having killed anyone? Have they ever been accused or even hinted at for committing a murder? Is murder something that was part of their doctrine? Sure they spouted all sorts of satanic type stuff but so did other groups in that era, Satan was chic back then and that notion has never really died out completely.

Yes. Actually they have been connected to at least one murder. I wasn’t sure if the 4 pi the article was referring to in Wyoming was real. But, I did a bunch of research on the members themselves, and several of them turn up in Wyoming as owners of a now defunct coffee shop.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= … 1433&hl=en
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http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/r … rocess.htm

"On July 13, 1970, California highway patrol picked up "two longhairs," Stanley Baker and Harry Allen Stroup, on suspicion of a hit-and-run near Big Sur. Baker not only readily admitted fleeing the scene, but added "I have a problem. I’m a cannibal ." In the pockets of both men were found human finger bones, taken from a recent victim in Montana named James Schlosser, whose mutilated remains were also missing a heart. Baker confessed to having eaten it.

Remember the times: the Tate-LaBianca murders were the summer before, and Manson and his Family members were in custody but not yet convicted. (Manson’s trial didn’t conclude until the following July.) A couple of murderous, hippie cannibals tripping around Southern California with bones in their pocket – why not? It was what the helter skelter mainstream mania was conditioning America’s consciousness to expect from its counterculture. Baker’s eager confession to crimes of which he was not a suspect suggest he may have been part of the program.

The criminal system’s handling of Baker suggest it got with the program, too: though he was a convicted multiple murderer and confessed cannibal who howled at full moons and had 11 makeshift weapons conviscated in custody, "administrators still saw fit to let him travel through the prison system, teaching transactional analysis to other inmates" and proselytizing for his Satanic cult. Stroup was released in 1979 and Baker in 1986, "requesting that his present whereabouts remain confidential."

Baker claimed he had been recruited into a neo-Nazi Satanic cult while in a Wyoming college, which he identified as the "Four Pi Movement," also known as the 4P. It was a splinter of the Process Church, which itself had broken away from the Church of Scientology. The name was derived from the Processean symbol of four P’s arranged in a stylized Swastika, representing Jehovah, Jesus, Lucifer and Satan. (Members "were urged to pick one that they could identify with and devote themselves to that deity.")"

I had never seen a photo of Stanley Dean Baker and his accomplice Harry Stroup before today. There is one photo of him online that I could find but it looks like a much more recent photo.

This is from Violent World magazine, May 1977.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : June 9, 2015 3:43 am
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I have been researching the connections between zodiac, ear/ons and Ted Kaczynski. Over the last 6 months I have looked into the topic of MK Ultra and its connection with Ted Kaczynski (TJK) and the Zodiac case. The literature review shows that TJK was part of a conical MK Ultra interrogation experiment with one of the OSS’s heavy hitters, Dr. Henry Murray, when he was a student at Harvard. My initial thoughts after doing the literature review was TJK was a Manchurian candidate and a CIA assasin, and he does not remember being the Zodiac because he was under hypnosis at the time. In addition, I thought I would find some information that showed that the CIA used Ted, as a sleeper agent, and did so because the fear of the Zodiac Killer and then later the EAR/ONS scared the bay area into submission so that they would not protest the Vietnam War or decide to become communist in any way.

What I found was that the agents of the federal government including from the CIA and DEA were heavily entrenched in San Francisco and were committing crimes in the name of national security. For example they were dosing unwitting San Franciscans in the 1950’s through project Operation Midnight Climax. (They were luring johns into government safehouses and watching them, through one way mirrors, interact with prostitutes after having been drugged with LSD or BZ in weaponized doses.) During this same time period, massive money was been channeled into multiple California institutions to study mind control, through any means possible. These studies included massive LSD dosings, like Altamont. Some of the famous CIA agents that were part of MK-ULTRA were Timothy Leary, Tom Wolfe and Ken Kesey. The book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test is about some of the MK-ULTRA work they did. In addition, I discovered that the entire LA music industry in the 1960’s, and the movie industry were part of MK Ultra, and still are today.

However, I did not make any real connections to Kaczynski, Zodiac or EAR/ONS until I came across an article on The Process Church and their connection with German Shepherds and Norse Mythology. In 1979, right before a series of ONS murders in Santa Barbara and Ventura, which have been connected by DNA, there was a number of dog incidents, dog stabbings, and spotting of people with German Shepherds. This relates to the Process Church in that the german shepherd was a sort of mascot.

In addition, the Process Church was committed to SS Occultism which included worship of Norse God Wodin (Odin). There are connections between Zodiac, EAR and TJK through their interest in Norse Mythology and Runes. I previously posted the "Punishment" page from the EAR investigation, this page seems to show Runes in the doodling that spell out Theo.

I found a connection to Montana and The Process in the research, as well. In 1970, James Schlosser was murdered around Roundup Montana by members of the process church who were later picked up in Big Sur, CA in the murder victim’s car. Also, Wayne Nathan Nance, was a serial killer from Montana and was a satan worshiper. He was in the Navy from 1974-1977 and was stationed first in Mare Island and then San Diego and Long Beach. He served on the USS Robison. In high school, in Missoula MT, he killed Donna Pound and left a revolver in her as part of a requirement join a satanic cult. (No one has ever found out what cult he was joining.)

Here is the information that I think is connected:

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From the EAR.ONS.GSKproboards.com
"Dog prints were outside the homes in question.
…According to Sudden Terror (pg. 438) dog prints were found "on the patio" of O/M along with a plastic bag containing turkey scraps and bones.
Along with the dog paw prints, shoe prints of the same shape, design and size were found in the patio that matched shoe prints found at the failed H/H attack.
The same night as the Offerman/Manning murders, homeowners returned to their Windsor Court home and saw a man in their living room window. The man ran out the back and jumped over their fence into the elementary school behind them. They went inside to find their little poodle savagely beaten to death. (pg. 436)

Port posted a KEYT news account and interview with a neighbor of S/D stating bloody dog prints were seen leading away from the S/D home and on the footbridge over the nearby creek. My question is why were the dog prints bloody. Was the dog injured or did the dog step in the blood of the victims?

The night of the D/S murders a neighbor saw a man standing behind a large tree at approximately 9:45 p.m. Another neighbor stated that he and his wife were walking in the neighborhood at approximately 10:00 p.m. when they saw a man following them. At one point he was approximately 6 to 10′ behind them. The subject was young, 5’11", SLENDER WITH BLOND NECK LENGTH HAIR (pg. 445) (I note that there is no mention of a dog on these previous two sightings.) At 11:00 p.m. a mother and daughter were jogging in the area when they saw a white male standing on the sidewalk behind the Domingo residence. The man appeared to be in his twenties or early thirties, 5’10" with neatly cut blond hair. The subject had a GERMAN SHEPARD DOG with him. (Did he go and get the dog between sightings?)

pg. 446 Approximately one week before H/H one of the neighbors on Berkely Road near S/D were contacted by a man stating that the previous evening of Sept 24th, his dog ran into a neighbor’s yard and returned bleeding badly. (I think it is probable that EAR/ONS was in that back yard and stabbed the man’s dog.)"

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"Robert DeGrimston has published three books on the subject of war, Jehovah on War, Lucifer on War and Satan on War, alleging that the words are from the three gods themselves as operating through the mouth of DeGrimston.[36] The Process Church is linked to Nazi Occultism, Satanism, Son of Sam[37] and Charles Manson and Family.[38]

The Process Church of the Final Judgment is an English occult society dedicated to observing and aiding the end of the world by stirring up murder, violence and chaos (Helter Skelter), and dedicated to the proposition that they, the Process (The Enlightened Ones), shall survive the gore as the chosen people.[39]

Grimston’s wife, Mary Anne DeGrimston assumed various names such as Hecate and the Oracle and possibly Circe. Both Robert and Mary Anne are devout reincarnationists. According to one account, Mary Anne believes she is the reincarnation (agent) of Dr. Paul Josef Goebbels.[40]"
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(Paul Joseph Goebbels (English /ˈɡɜrbəlz/; German: [ˈɡœbəls] ( listen);[1] 29 October 1897 – 1 May 1945) was a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. As one of Adolf Hitler’s closest associates and most devoted followers, he was known for his zealous orations and deep and virulent antisemitism, which led to his strongly supporting the extermination of the Jews when the Nazi leadership developed their "Final Solution".)
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"The SS, also called “Lucifer’s Servants,”[66] was the highly secretive and selective elite and aristocratic mysterians of the Nazis. It was a state within a state. It was a war criminal surreptitious pagan blood cult. They were fanatical occulted pseudo-religious racialist. They mass murdered by most estimates at least 10 to 26 million non Aryans that they declared to be “sub human” species.[67] Their patron All Father God was the Germanic pagan War God, Wotan.[68]

God of the Third Reich-Wotan (Odin) is a god of war and magic, appearing throughout Norse myth as the bringer of victory.[69] He is the commander of the army of heaven.[70] According to mythology, Wotan hung from the World Ash Tree Yggdrasill for nine days, until he was “reborn” from the Ash with knowledge of the magical runes. Yggdrasill is encircled by a snake, and its roots were in the realm of giants.[71] The myth of World Ash Tree embraces the Origin, the Life and the Death of the Earth and its generations.[72]

The mythical Well of Knowledge that Wotan drew the knowledge of mysteries was located below the Yggdrasill. The caretaker of the Well of Knowledge was Mimir, controlling access to its wisdom-imparting bounty. Mimir is of unknown origin.[73]

Wotan acquired powerful secret lore and mysteries from the gods, which the runes (secret decision, mystery, magic songs) later on became tools. [74] Invoked, Wotan can make the dead speak to question the wisest amongst them.

Most sagas have tales of Wotan using his cunning to overcome adversaries and achieve his goals. Frigga, goddess of the universe, the wife of Wotan represents the planet Venus (Frigga’s Star). She is the step-mother of Thor. Wotan is also associated with trickery, cunning and deception.[75]"
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"On July 13, 1970, California highway patrol picked up "two longhairs," Stanley Baker and Harry Allen Stroup, on suspicion of a hit-and-run near Big Sur. Baker not only readily admitted fleeing the scene, but added "I have a problem. I’m a cannibal ." In the pockets of both men were found human finger bones, taken from a recent victim in Montana named James Schlosser, whose mutilated remains were also missing a heart. Baker confessed to having eaten it."

"Baker claimed he had been recruited into a neo-Nazi Satanic cult while in a Wyoming college, which he identified as the "Four Pi Movement," also known as the 4P. It was a splinter of the Process Church, which itself had broken away from the Church of Scientology. The name was derived from the Processean symbol of four P’s arranged in a stylized Swastika, representing Jehovah, Jesus, Lucifer and Satan. (Members "were urged to pick one that they could identify with and devote themselves to that deity.")

Four P rituals were conducted "on the basis of a stellar timetable, including the sacrifice of Doberman and German shepherd dogs":

Beginning in June 1968, authorities in San Jose, Santa Cruz, and Los Gatos began recording discovery of canines, skinned and drained of blood without apparent motive. As the director of the Santa Cruz animal shelter told [Ed] Sanders, "Whoever is doing this is a real expert with a knife. The skin is cut away without even marking the flesh. The really strange thing is that these dogs have been drained of blood." If we accept the word of isolated witnesses, the missing blood was drunk by cultists in their ceremonies. So, according to reports, was human blood, obtained from sacrificial victims murdered on a dragon-festooned altar.

"Baker reported having participated in human sacrifices in the Santa Ana Mountains, and confessed to playing a part in the April 20, 1970 murder of Robert Salem, a 40-year-old lighting designer in San Francisco stabbed 27 times and nearly decapitated. Slogans were painted on the walls in Salem’s blood, including "Zodiac" and "Satan Saves," which, according to Baker, "were meant to stir up panic in an atmosphere already tense from revelations in the Manson murder trial."
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The group originated in Arizona in 1971,[3] developing from The Foundation Faith of the Millennium, a religious group formerly known as the Process Church of the Final Judgment.[4]

The Foundation church relocated animals from its Arizona ranch to property near Kanab, Utah, in 1984.[5] In 1991, the church was renamed Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, which became a tax-exempt, nonprofit charity, and in 2003 renamed Best Friends Animal Society.[6]
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February 20, 1987, Salt Lake City, Utah, Gary Wright, computer store owner Severe nerve damage to left arm

Articles on The Process.
Warning some of these sites are very graphic.
http://boingboing.net/2009/11/12/goldwa … curio.html
http://flavorwire.com/33623/exclusive-t … analog-art
http://www.thedogpress.com/Columns/Best … e-0610.asp
http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/ca … egrimston/
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 … -name.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Proces … l_Judgment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Frien … al_Society
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/2013/01 … -family-2/
http://murderpedia.org/male.N/n/nance-wayne-nathan.htm

I had written month ago regarding mk ultra experiments in San Francisco. I was quite puzzled why nobody’s went after these people. Well, it seems Whitey Bulger planned to do just that. It’s in the Boston paper today about this matter. Bulger had initiated a preliminary assassination plan to kill Dr. Carl Pfeiffer, which he did not carry out. I guess that’s just the way we people from Boston think. I couldn’t even imagine any other option for that situation.

 
Posted : September 15, 2015 12:47 pm
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Really necessary to quote an entire essay of a post just to respond to it? It makes things SO hard to read.

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Posted : September 15, 2015 1:53 pm
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I had written month ago regarding mk ultra experiments in San Francisco. I was quite puzzled why nobody’s went after these people. Well, it seems Whitey Bulger planned to do just that. It’s in the Boston paper today about this matter. Bulger had initiated a preliminary assassination plan to kill Dr. Carl Pfeiffer, which he did not carry out. I guess that’s just the way we people from Boston think. I couldn’t even imagine any other option for that situation.

What Boston paper? Interesting.

 
Posted : September 16, 2015 7:13 am
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I had written month ago regarding mk ultra experiments in San Francisco. I was quite puzzled why nobody’s went after these people. Well, it seems Whitey Bulger planned to do just that. It’s in the Boston paper today about this matter. Bulger had initiated a preliminary assassination plan to kill Dr. Carl Pfeiffer, which he did not carry out. I guess that’s just the way we people from Boston think. I couldn’t even imagine any other option for that situation.

What Boston paper? Interesting.

The story was on WCVB Boston website today or yesterday. It was referencing information provided by Kevin Weeks. I thought it rather funny because Whitey Bulger thought the same thing as I did regarding this matter. He’s a hot ticket anyway and I’m glad somebody at least had the good ideas like I do.

 
Posted : September 16, 2015 7:31 am
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Getting back on topic about the Process Church.

There is a new film out about the Process which is being shown at the Belfast Film Festival. Sympathy For The Devil reportedly has former members of the inner circle telling about the organization. According to the article the many accusations about the group being behind some of the notorious crimes of the 60s and 70s have no basis in fact and are simply conspiracy theories.

I have not seen this film but for those of you who believe that The Process could have been an influence for the Zodiac Killer and other crimes it might not hurt to seek out this film and get another point of view. Hopefully the film backs up it’s material with verifiable facts.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/ex-sci … -1-7329874

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
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