What do you think of the possibility of both ross and Kane knowing each other and both being involved in the Zodiac case.
Both struggling with physiological issues maybe they met through a hospital or something similar. Kane performed the first 3 crimes and Ross killing Stine. I know, a bit outlandish but….
We see this sort of thing come up when people like more than one suspect. I don’t think they knew each other.
Kane didn’t come into the picture until after he was investigated due to Donna Lass’ disappearance. Since she was an assumed victim based off a questionable document…I have a hard time linking Kane to Zodiac. But, that’s just me. 
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
It seems the description of Zodiac for the 2nd didn’t 3rd incidents seems kind of slovenly, which doesn’t seem to match the Stine murder description.
I have always considered that zodiac might have been more than one person, and it’s a notion which I have always left on the table as it could help explain some difficult aspects of the case.
However, kane and Sullivan knowing each other? Somehow I doubt it.
…though the FBI did receive a possible zodiac letter from Albany, New York, and strangely enough both Sullivan and Kane have connections to Albany.
One of my friends think that it was Arthur Leigh Allen working with his friend Norman Boudreau. Another friend of mine thinks it was Richard (Rick) Marshall working with Robert Vaughn, and yet another friend of mine believes it was a vallejo police officer, and feels that other vallejo police may have known about it and may have taken steps to cover it up…
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what you think, it doesn’t even matter what you know, all that matters is what you can prove
It seems the description of Zodiac for the 2nd didn’t 3rd incidents seems kind of slovenly, which doesn’t seem to match the Stine murder description.
It’s clearly the same guy, he just got a haircut. He was even wearing the exact same uniform, right down to the pleated pants and quarter-length boots (minus the hood, of course).
"There are such devils."
-The Pledge
It seems the description of Zodiac for the 2nd didn’t 3rd incidents seems kind of slovenly, which doesn’t seem to match the Stine murder description.
It’s clearly the same guy, he just got a haircut. He was even wearing the exact same uniform, right down to the pleated pants and quarter-length boots (minus the hood, of course).
Not quite exact…similar, yes. Different shoes as described–color, etc. And who notices shoes? 
Also, one doesn’t go from light brown, almost blond and curly, to dark brown and apparently straight…and if you are putting a hood on, why change the style of the hair? Could he have done so. Sure! But it’s not the same hair…however it went down.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
It seems the description of Zodiac for the 2nd didn’t 3rd incidents seems kind of slovenly, which doesn’t seem to match the Stine murder description.
It’s clearly the same guy, he just got a haircut. He was even wearing the exact same uniform, right down to the pleated pants and quarter-length boots (minus the hood, of course).
Not quite exact…similar, yes. Different shoes as described–color, etc. And who notices shoes?
Also, one doesn’t go from light brown, almost blond and curly, to dark brown and apparently straight…and if you are putting a hood on, why change the style of the hair? Could he have done so. Sure! But it’s not the same hair…however it went down.
You and I are never gonna agree on this. The eyes and nose on both composites are identical. As for the darker hair…you know it lightens out when there’s less of it, right? Especially if you haven’t shaved your head or cut it that short before. It could have APPEARED blonde because more of the guy’s scalp was showing and that would have been pure white if he’d been rocking longer hair for a while.
Plus the Presidio Heights shooter dressed the same as the man at Berryessa and the car the Berryessa POI was seen in was a good match for the suspect vehicle at Lake Herman Road.
"There are such devils."
-The Pledge
That’s ok Pettibon! I don’t have a problem when we disagree…that’s what stirs discussion.
If it darkens when there is less of it, why was it almost blond in July? BRS and SF…no problem. LB…it’s just flat out different.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
That’s ok Pettibon! I don’t have a problem when we disagree…that’s what stirs discussion.
If it darkens when there is less of it, why was it almost blond in July? BRS and SF…no problem. LB…it’s just flat out different.
If we’re going by Mageau’s description, then there’s going to invariably be problems because he saw Z briefly, from a seated position, and with a light shining in his face, moments before being shot in the mouth. I don’t know that his recall is all that great, but the light could easily have affected his perception of the hair. As for the dress…it’s the same "uniform" as LB and PH.
"There are such devils."
-The Pledge
That’s ok Pettibon! I don’t have a problem when we disagree…that’s what stirs discussion.
If it darkens when there is less of it, why was it almost blond in July? BRS and SF…no problem. LB…it’s just flat out different.
If we’re going by Mageau’s description, then there’s going to invariably be problems because he saw Z briefly, from a seated position, and with a light shining in his face, moments before being shot in the mouth. I don’t know that his recall is all that great, but the light could easily have affected his perception of the hair. As for the dress…it’s the same "uniform" as LB and PH.
I understand that concern, but Mike also saw him walk away and come back. He said he judged height by the car, noticed the guy in a t-shirt, and it quite descriptive about hair. Other things he acknowledged not knowing. I think he’d simply say he didn’t know, if he didn’t know. That’s not to say people don’t often misjudge height, weight, and age…that’s a given.
Whatever the reason, they are different–quite different, and that is what I bring up….however one wants to view that is certainly up to them.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Did you notice the little hint about possible two Zodaics at the end of this last episode?
Did you notice the little hint about possible two Zodaics at the end of this last episode?
I have always considered that zodiac May have been two or more people working together…
Though ultimately I am a "evidence man", I will only accept something if it has sufficient evidence confirming it, so while I love to speculate and entertain these notions, I am also very careful to not let them influence my views on the case, and careful to not begin to accept these speculations. The evidence will ultimately reveal the truth.
Mike can be a difficult witness…
Something has always bothered me about the blue rock springs attack…
When the merciless attack began Michael Mageau in a bid to prevent further injury or blind terror propelled himself to the rear passenger seats. After the initial volley of five shots the assailant retreated, but upon hearing Mageau start to yell returned once again to shoot both victims each twice more. The assailant then calmly walked away and got back in his vehicle.
Michael Mageau then stated he grappled for the outside door handle and fell out onto the Blue Rock Springs car park. At which point the assailant sped away, ‘at a high rate of speed’, from the scene in the direction of Vallejo and Springs Road. This would later be countered by the Zodiac Killer in a letter he sent to the San Francisco Examiner on August 4th 1969, exactly one month after this attack. In the letter the Zodiac Killer wrote ‘The boy was origionaly sitting in the front seat when I began fireing. When I fired the first shot at his head, he leaped backwards at the same time, thus spoiling my aim. He ended up on the back seat then the floor in back thashing out very violently with his legs; that’s how I shot him in the knee. I did not leave the cene of the killing with squealing tires + raceing engine as described in he Vallejo paper. I drove away quite slowly so as not to draw attention to my car’.
Michael Mageau went on to state; in an interview conducted at Kaiser Hospital on 6th July 1969, with Detective Ed Rust, that he thought the assailants car was the same or similar type to Darlene Ferrin’s car, a Corvair, although lighter brown and California license plates.
Look at the section in bold:
Zodiac shot Mike while he was in the car, he even leaned into the car, leaving two casings inside the car, while shooting the couple.
So clearly the entire time Mike was being shot he was inside the car…
Yet:
Ed rust found a bullet under Mike, as if he had been shot while laying on the ground…
ed rust: they loaded Mageau up first, and then got Darlene out of the car, and uh, one of the things I did when uh, they lifted Mageau up…I…I…we had marked uh…I think Hoffman had outlined his body with a crayon…and so I was shining the light down there…for whatever reason, I saw there was a… bullet slug underneath where Mageau had been laying, and I, I picked it up and it looked like a nine millimeter parabellum bullet, they call it
Probably one that didn’t penetrate fell out of his clothes or something.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
I believe a shell casing from a bullet was found under Mageau, not a bullet.
Mageau is all over the place with recollection, contradicting himself many times over several years, unfortunately not much he says is then useful.
Ross and Kane both fit the profile of loners. It is therefore unlikely they "knew" of each other outside the local serial notoriety? One could claim the work of the other or vice-versa, without introduction…..possible, yes. No evidence of this turned up yet as far as what has been sleuthed out….hospitalizations notwithstanding, those hospitals keep records close to the vest!
