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Found it!! By Fire, By Gun, By Knife, By Rope

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You seem to be missing the point Tahoe that the Zodiac wrote in big letters on that car door "By Knife". ;)

So this links the card to that car door in my mind.

It does seem a bit preposterous to suggest that someone went to the trouble to fake the card so that it would one day be linked to a Western comic book in order to suggest that it had something to do with the car door. :?

It seems more logical that the Zodiac was the one who sent all of these clues so that an investigator would establish the connection.

 
Posted : February 21, 2016 6:57 am
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And in all these years, not one investigator made a link with any comic book. Even now, what has it led to? Nothing, and by many, everything.

We have discussed the "by knife" at length….no point missed.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 21, 2016 11:56 pm
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You seem to be missing the point Tahoe that the Zodiac wrote in big letters on that car door "By Knife". ;)

So this links the card to that car door in my mind.

That’s a good point. I know at Berryessa, police hid the full contents of the message on the door. Was it disclosed to the public that it read, ‘By Knife’ on the door,prior to the Halloween card.? I can’t remember

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
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Posted : February 22, 2016 12:31 am
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If it hadn’t been released, which I am sure it was, then the Fairfield Letter widely discredited, would likely be genuine, as the writing on the letter is near identical to the car door. The curve area on the K, the looped F, different from his normal style, the cross line on the F is equal in length either side of the down stroke, and the tailed off E.

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 1:06 am
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I see no similarity in that. The k, f, nor the e.

We found no publication in a newspaper of the "by knife" on the car door. It was purposely left out (and in photos) covered up for the purpose of holding something back.

Of course it was a year later the HC card came, so who knows what have been disclosed by that time that might have been missed.

I simply think there was some other nut out there–playing off Zodiac.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 1:30 am
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This is the part that the police hid initially. I can’t remember when the full details were released to the press

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 1:31 am
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Here’s a October 1969 article that does not mention, ‘BY KNIFE’

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 1:37 am
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I couldn’t find any article that showed or mentioned, ‘By Knife’,so for a forger to use the term, ‘by knife’ when he likely didn’t know Z wrote that term on the door, would be highly unlikely in my opinion

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 2:09 am
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There was an article in the Napa Register saying what was NOT on the car door. I know this is not what your after but it is of some interest.

My feelings about the "by knife" on the Halloween card are that the sender of the card did not necessarily need to know what was on the car door to have included it on the back of the card. The method of death for each of the victims was known. A gun was used in the first, second and fourth attacks, a knife was used in the third attack. A rope was used in the third attack as well but it was not the method of death. There are no confirmed Zodiac killings that were committed "by fire". I know many believe that the Domingos/Edwards murders, which included fire, on June 4, 1963 were done by the Zodiac but that has never been confirmed.

So we have four methods of death on the card but in reality only two of those methods were what killed the known victims. I don’t think that the card links the Berryessa attack by virtue of having "by knife" written on it.

Here’s the article about what was not on the car door.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 2:10 am
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If it hadn’t been released, which I am sure it was, then the Fairfield Letter widely discredited, would likely be genuine, as the writing on the letter is near identical to the car door. The curve area on the K, the looped F, different from his normal style, the cross line on the F is equal in length either side of the down stroke, and the tailed off E.

As we can see in this letter from Z, the well known candy cane F isn’t always seen in Zodiac’s writing

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 3:53 am
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In fact, compare the letter f’s from Z and this questioned Z letter, they are actually, pretty similar

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : February 22, 2016 3:58 am
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My feelings about the "by knife" on the Halloween card are that the sender of the card did not necessarily need to know what was on the car door to have included it on the back of the card.

I agree. Firstly, it was generally known that LB was done “by knife” even though the killer’s use of this exact phrase was held back. Secondly, the phrase itself is nowhere near being unique. And thirdly, it appears as part of an overall design: The writer doesn’t use the phrase on its own, it’s a (necessary) part of the “wheel of death” concept.

Having said that, what makes “by knife” interesting is the fact that it was held back. A prankster could not have known that “by knife” was associated with the Zodiac case. So, if the writer was a prankster he happened to use a phrase that LE held back for – say – identification purposes: It’s not simply a case of the phrase not being known – but a case of it being held back for the very purpose the real Zodiac arguably used it for IF he produced the HC.

Writer is a random prankster = “by knife” is pure coincidence.

Writer is Zodiac = “by knife” is used deliberately as both a taunt and a means of verification.

…but then one could add the following: Zodiac never obliquely or obscurely identified himself in any known missive. In the known/verified/undoubted missives he clearly identifies himself, because he clearly wants to be recognized and associated with the missive and the crimes it relates to: His means of verification are unambiguous and obvious.

 
Posted : February 26, 2016 11:48 pm
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Tim Holt comic issue #41 pages 19 and 26. Maybe nothing, but we do have the last name of a prominent suspect, and a picture of a mask with bib (and the invitation for young readers to become this masked demon.)

Is this person any relation to George Saxberg?

 
Posted : March 27, 2016 11:03 pm
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Here’s some "zynchronicity" from Christer Böke:

I am of course not accusing anybody, I am just a guy who is into ciphers and have made some excessive research on the "My name is.."

His observations are:

* The name "Frank Frazetta" fits into the "My Name Is" cipher if you permit anagramming
* Frank Frazetta was one of the artists associated with the Tim Holt comics (source)
* Early in his career, he excised one z from his last name because “with one z it just looked better,” Mr. Pistella said. “He said the two z’s and two t’s was too clumsy.” (source)

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : August 24, 2016 8:44 pm
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Good stuff, saw it in the HC show for first time, examined here in more detail. What stands out to me, in addition to the obvious connection to the ‘Halloween Card,’ is the death wheel and its allegory to a zodiac wheel. Signs of the zodiac are frequently displayed in a wheel, and the one from the inside book page had twelve stations akin to the twelve zodiac signs.

What is a more chilling part of the find however, is the thought that Zodiac had and was influenced by this comic book. That, I am sure for Tahoe as well, is the raison d’etre of this find, and with it reveals a home truth about his methodology — as previously stated by Tahoe, Zodiac was ‘a copycat,’ — and so lived in a way removed from ‘normal society’ in some way, modeling his life not unlike a Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver, pedantic, but all the while preaching his superior knowledge gleaned from observing ‘how normal people live’ — while fantasizing an intact melodramatic antagonist he fully inhabited — subconsciously destroying them and in doing so, restoring himself into ‘normal’ relationships as their slavemaster.

At this point I would want to see where in Binghamton comic books were sold in 1952, and I surmise it might not be too hard to find that, as Binghamton was not a large city at that time. Not to bring anyone closer to solving who he was, but anticipating a time when we are going to know everything, including whether he liked extra frosting on his frosted flakes, this find has Sullivan and his theatrics all over it.

 
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