Yes Paul Stine, hanging from the cab. He also gives us the license plate of Paul Stines taxicab, In order from envelope to the outside of the card to the inner of the card. We know the card emphasizes the number 14 throughout, so why should the strange symbol on the envelope be any different.
1. Strange symbol – represents seven and fourteen, ie joined 7 and 14 + 4 dots = 25. He is indicating the 25th letter of the alphabet Y.
2. Raised hand – 3 fingers raised and 14 on palm = 14+3 =17.
3. 4-TEEN – Why separate this with a hyphen. The Zodiac may as well have written 14 or FOURTEEN but he didn’t, why.
Well, what is a TEEN, it is somebody who reaches the age of 13. So we have 4-13 = 413.
Now lets add them up in order.
Y + 17 + 413 = Y17413. Paul Stines taxicab license plate.
Why is the strange configuration Y though, it could be anything. That is why he gave us a further clue, and all were on and in the envelope. In order, the inside of the envelope gave us the X, with sorry no cipher crossed. We then had the Y as shown, he then placed the Z underneath, XYZ, the answer or route.

Interesting. But why would Z bother to give any cryptic references after he had already sent a letter stating the he was "the murderer of the taxi driver"?

Interesting. But why would Z bother to give any cryptic references after he had already sent a letter stating the he was "the murderer of the taxi driver"?

Because he wasn’t normal. If I was a serial killer I might better understand his mind. I suppose its like saying why send us the 408 Cipher when he was not declaring any new murders. He enjoyed attention and playing ‘childish’ games.

Interesting. But why would Z bother to give any cryptic references after he had already sent a letter stating the he was "the murderer of the taxi driver"?

Because he wasn’t normal. If I was a serial killer I might better understand his mind. I suppose its like saying why send us the 408 Cipher when he was not declaring any new murders. He enjoyed attention and playing ‘childish’ games.

i respectfully disagree. i think he’s given too much credence as an ingenious mastermind. in my opinion there are too many non-linear steps to get to a predetermined conclusion in these types of theories (e.g. – we know stine’s cab number, so let’s find a way to make it appear in the card). if he wanted to display a "Y", then why not just put a "Y" in the card, or at least 25 of something? it seems like a stretch but that’s just my opinion.

Interesting. But why would Z bother to give any cryptic references after he had already sent a letter stating the he was "the murderer of the taxi driver"?

Because he wasn’t normal. If I was a serial killer I might better understand his mind. I suppose its like saying why send us the 408 Cipher when he was not declaring any new murders. He enjoyed attention and playing ‘childish’ games.

i respectfully disagree. i think he’s given too much credence as an ingenious mastermind. in my opinion there are too many non-linear steps to get to a predetermined conclusion in these types of theories (e.g. – we know stine’s cab number, so let’s find a way to make it appear in the card). if he wanted to display a "Y", then why not just put a "Y" in the card, or at least 25 of something? it seems like a stretch but that’s just my opinion.

I agree with your assessment. I think there is too much being placed on him being some super villain. The numerology part just doesn’t jive with me. He was sloppy in his killings yet somehow he is supposed to be super intelligent in his writings….doesn’t fit for me. I think there is a much more logical and easier answer to most of his killings.

Not one of these theories of "cryptic clues" has been substantiated in 45 years. Not… a… single… one. Maybe, just maybe, there’s nothing more to it than some freak who got his "best material" from Groucho Marx and a comic book cover.

Not one of these theories of "cryptic clues" has been substantiated in 45 years. Not… a… single… one. Maybe, just maybe, there’s nothing more to it than some freak who got his "best material" from Groucho Marx and a comic book cover.

There is probably nothing more insidious in Zodiac case research than the use of that numerology crap. The OPORD board is full of it. In more ways than one.
If you go down that path, "add this to that, subtract this, reverse that, etc." you can always create a supposed ‘connection’ anywhere. But it is not any sort of valid study, and none of that nonsense proves anything.

-glurk

There is probably nothing more insidious in Zodiac case research than the use of that numerology crap. The OPORD board is full of it. In more ways than one.
If you go down that path, "add this to that, subtract this, reverse that, etc." you can always create a supposed ‘connection’ anywhere. But it is not any sort of valid study, and none of that nonsense proves anything.
-glurk

Wait – is that Hitler?

Not one of these theories of "cryptic clues" has been substantiated in 45 years. Not… a… single… one. Maybe, just maybe, there’s nothing more to it than some freak who got his "best material" from Groucho Marx and a comic book cover.

There is probably nothing more insidious in Zodiac case research than the use of that numerology crap. The OPORD board is full of it. In more ways than one.

If you go down that path, "add this to that, subtract this, reverse that, etc." you can always create a supposed ‘connection’ anywhere. But it is not any sort of valid study, and none of that nonsense proves anything.

-glurk

BAM! Perfect post!

Not one of these theories of "cryptic clues" has been substantiated in 45 years. Not… a… single… one. Maybe, just maybe, there’s nothing more to it than some freak who got his "best material" from Groucho Marx and a comic book cover.

There is probably nothing more insidious in Zodiac case research than the use of that numerology crap. The OPORD board is full of it. In more ways than one.
If you go down that path, "add this to that, subtract this, reverse that, etc." you can always create a supposed ‘connection’ anywhere. But it is not any sort of valid study, and none of that nonsense proves anything.

-glurk

No, there is nothing more insidious than people like you who speak crap and have no idea what you are talking about. Coding is based on numerology, have you forgotten about the 408 Cipher, a cipher dependent on numerology. Don’t try an take the moral high ground when you have no understanding of the concept.

No, there is nothing more insidious than people like you who speak crap and have no idea what you are talking about. Coding is based on numerology, have you forgotten about the 408 Cipher, a cipher dependent on numerology. Don’t try an take the moral high ground when you have no understanding of the concept.

Could you explain how the 408 cipher is dependent on numerology?

I don’t think any of his ciphers are built on some uncrackable code at all. I think they are built on a book only Z had….it was a livestock brand book that was passed down….it is simply indecipherable unless you have it. There is no amount of code work that will crack it. My belief is that the original cracked cipher is incorrect and he was playing it off as if it was.

All of this numerology and super cipher stuff is nonsense….it has been 40 years and nobody has made headway into the cipher. Yes it has meaning, but only if you have his book to decipher it.

Unless some random family member who happens to have the book from their grandfather and also knows of the Zodiac case figures the connection out, we will never know.

Any evidence is likely destroyed or thrown away at this point…..i personally have been in houses and done the same with whatever is there in a foreclosure or salvage case.

If someone doesn’t know the case or have any known connection to it then what reason would they have to think and old brand book or piece of shirt that looks like it has mud on have to keep it?

I would like to apologize for my last post Glurk, it sounded a bit nasty. Wrote it in a bad moment.
Dave, you are right, I didn’t mean the actual cipher contents, just the reason he chose to split it into three parts as opposed to just send one cipher.