He knew enough about religion to make me think he had attended church and had possibly attended a college with a religious affiliation.

Did he, though? I can’t see anything he said or did that might indicate such a background.

He knew enough about religion to make me think he had attended church and had possibly attended a college with a religious affiliation.

Did he, though? I can’t see anything he said or did that might indicate such a background.

The Zodiac seemed to believe he himself was GOD and had the right to take the life of who so ever he should choose to. Many Serial Killers are extremely arrogant and egocentric and overtly narcissistic. Bundy decided to represent himself to be centre stage in his own trial. D.C Sniper left a message for D.C Police declaring "For you Mr Police, Call me God." Gacy thought he was simply untouchable and buried so many people under his own house and throughout his stay on Death Row denied he was guilty saying someone else killed them, broke into his home, dragged the bodies into the crawl space, dug a hole, and buried them before letting themselves out without ever being seen. Gacy, strapped to a gurney and asked by the Prison Warden if he had any last statement to make, said "Yes, kiss my ass." No remorse or thought for any of his victims even at that point, only outrage and anger that the State dare execute such an important person!

The Zodiac seemed to believe he himself was GOD and had the right to take the life of who so ever he should choose to. Many Serial Killers are extremely arrogant and egocentric and overtly narcissistic. Bundy decided to represent himself to be centre stage in his own trial. D.C Sniper left a message for D.C Police declaring "For you Mr Police, Call me God." Gacy thought he was simply untouchable and buried so many people under his own house and throughout his stay on Death Row denied he was guilty saying someone else killed them, broke into his home, dragged the bodies into the crawl space, dug a hole, and buried them before letting themselves out without ever being seen. Gacy, strapped to a gurney and asked by the Prison Warden if he had any last statement to make, said "Yes, kiss my ass." No remorse or thought for any of his victims even at that point, only outrage and anger that the State dare execute such an important person!

Still doesn’t mean he went to church or a religious college.

Oh I don’t know, if Zodiac was that driven to maket himself and brag of his wonderful slave collecting then what better situation to do it than a confession box. Confidential, face is not visible, someone just the other side of the wall to listen to your need to brag. Yes I can quite vividly picture the scene….

Priest: Confess you sins my child, God is listening"
Confessant: I…..I…. I am the murderer of the taxi driver over by Washington & Maple Streets the other night. To prove this, I shall leave a piece of his shirt in this booth after I leave….

"Priest: Sorry my Child, but did you just say murder of a taxi driver?"

Confessor: "DONT EVER INTURRUPT ME PRIEST! THIS IS THE ZODIAC SPEAKING!"

Oh yes, I can just picture it now, the priest trying tip toe out of the confession box and running out of his church and down the street "Help, Help, I have Zodiac speaking, I have Zodiac confessing…" **Bang – Hit by bus.**

Meanwhile Zodiac still confessing to fresh air in the church…. "Father, why wont they wear some Zodiac buttons? It’s not too much to ask. Father?

Hehe

Question:

Did Melvin Belli ever have public alcohol problems or took on cases that dealt with alcoholism?

Thing is, back in the old days Happy Christmas was used because Merry Christmas denoted alcohol was to be involved in the celebration and, certain classes of people really didn’t care for the public display of drunkness to be associated with this holiday. There is a little bit of an air with regards to drunkenness in this letter. "Help me. I’m drownding." Drownding in what? His sorrows? Highly unlikely. Drownding in happiness? Perhaps.

Soze

Question:

Did Melvin Belli ever have public alcohol problems or took on cases that dealt with alcoholism?

Thing is, back in the old days Happy Christmas was used because Merry Christmas denoted alcohol was to be involved in the celebration and, certain classes of people really didn’t care for the public display of drunkness to be associated with this holiday. There is a little bit of an air with regards to drunkenness in this letter. "Help me. I’m drownding." Drownding in what? His sorrows? Highly unlikely. Drownding in happiness? Perhaps.

Soze

No idea. I wouldn’t have though so though. Mel Belli was by all accounts similar to Zodiac in his desire for publicity, air of superiority and importance and like Zodiac believed he cannot be caught, Melvin couldn’t lose a case and in fairness, I don’t know his success percentage in defending clients but I know he wasn’t such a big name and very sought after by accused criminals because all of his previous clients were all now sitting in jail having been found guilty that’s for sure.
So could I see Melvin Belli representing the factory worker on a DWI charge? No. And obviously now I have stated this, someone will run off, pull up every case Mel had defended a client in Court and then post a reply: "W.C, 7 DWI cases, 3 Manslaughter after death caused by drunk driver, and 18 clients defended on charges of theft of alcoholic beverages from the Mall/Store."

So without knowing anything factually, I’d say the answer is no.

Question:

Did Melvin Belli ever have public alcohol problems or took on cases that dealt with alcoholism?

Thing is, back in the old days Happy Christmas was used because Merry Christmas denoted alcohol was to be involved in the celebration and, certain classes of people really didn’t care for the public display of drunkness to be associated with this holiday. There is a little bit of an air with regards to drunkenness in this letter. "Help me. I’m drownding." Drownding in what? His sorrows? Highly unlikely. Drownding in happiness? Perhaps.

Soze

No idea. I wouldn’t have though so though. Mel Belli was by all accounts similar to Zodiac in his desire for publicity, air of superiority and importance and like Zodiac believed he cannot be caught, Melvin couldn’t lose a case and in fairness, I don’t know his success percentage in defending clients but I know he wasn’t such a big name and very sought after by accused criminals because all of his previous clients were all now sitting in jail having been found guilty that’s for sure.
So could I see Melvin Belli representing the factory worker on a DWI charge? No. And obviously now I have stated this, someone will run off, pull up every case Mel had defended a client in Court and then post a reply: "W.C, 7 DWI cases, 3 Manslaughter after death caused by drunk driver, and 18 clients defended on charges of theft of alcoholic beverages from the Mall/Store."

So without knowing anything factually, I’d say the answer is no.

Ok. I am willing to accept that, unless/until, someone comes up with something different.

What about the other I mentioned? The separation of alcohol from the season?

Soze

A new theory..police checked Melvins clients if one of them might had been the author of this Belli letter. We also know that Z was out from Deer/Feather Lodge.

What if Z was not one of Melvin’s clients but one of his opponents? Someone may assume that Z could have been a lawyer..I doubt it because of the possible military background of Z. But what if he just had lost a law suit previous to him being sent to prison, one in which Belli was his opponents advocate?

Most if not all media Z had sent letters to went to newspapers of the Hearst Corporation. I still wonder about Belli’s connection to Hearst (‘Sla’) or the Sierra club.. There must’ve been one somehow, imo.

QT

A new theory..police checked Melvins clients if one of them might had been the author of this Belli letter. We also know that Z was out from Deer/Feather Lodge.

What if Z was not one of Melvin’s clients but one of his opponents? Someone may assume that Z could have been a lawyer..I doubt it because of the possible military background of Z. But what if he just had lost a law suit previous to him being sent to prison, one in which Belli was his opponents advocate?

Most if not all media Z had sent letters to went to newspapers of the Hearst Corporation. I still wonder about Belli’s connection to Hearst (‘Sla’) or the Sierra club.. There must’ve been one somehow, imo.

QT

We don’t know that Z was from Deer/Fern lodge, for all we know he was lying,in fact, we know he was as no prisoners had recently escaped.

A new theory..police checked Melvins clients if one of them might had been the author of this Belli letter. We also know that Z was out from Deer/Feather Lodge.

What if Z was not one of Melvin’s clients but one of his opponents? Someone may assume that Z could have been a lawyer..I doubt it because of the possible military background of Z. But what if he just had lost a law suit previous to him being sent to prison, one in which Belli was his opponents advocate?

Most if not all media Z had sent letters to went to newspapers of the Hearst Corporation. I still wonder about Belli’s connection to Hearst (‘Sla’) or the Sierra club.. There must’ve been one somehow, imo.

QT

We don’t know that Z was from Deer/Fern lodge, for all we know he was lying,in fact, we know he was as no prisoners had recently escaped.

Yes, I think it is important to distinguish between fact and what Zodiac claims as fact. He also killed 37 people, never left fingerprints and disappeared into the Presidio never to be seen again. One or more of those claims might be true but this is a good example of Zodiac almost certainly lying to suit his needs (controlling Hartnell and Shepard and convincing them that they better follow his commands). We should be careful about accepting Z’s claims as fact, IMO.

Well I’d go one step beyond saying for all we know he may have been telling porkies about being an escapee from Deer Lodge, Montana and say I believe he was talking absolute Sh** and he hadn’t recently been indulging in acts of escapology from prison’s in a different State and he was, quite obviously, giving the two victims a reason for his wearing a mask to hide his face and why he would need to tie both up so he could get a good distance head start before they were able to inform police that their vehicle had been stolen. He was trying, in some twisted way, to up the chances of compliance from both Bryan and Cecelia by offering them his reasons for needing to take these course of actions. He had to make some rubbish up because he isn’t going to have them lie down and comply if he announces "Take it easy, everyone stay calm, all I want and need is to stab you both repeatedly so if you’d both lie face down please while your bound in preparation…."

I don’t believe Zodiac was reaching out for any help from him. I think it was all a big facade. I imagine Zodiac didn’t think much of Belli after the Dunbar show. And if he somehow saw that news clip with Dunbar and Belli in the clip with Joe Stine..I’d say Zodiac was mocking him.

I don’t believe he was reaching out for help either. I do find it to be very telling that it was written very neat. Almost how one would put on a suit or dress up to meet a certain class of people.

The Belli letter went to his private address 1228 Montgomery Street. Might be assumed that he had known him.

QT

Or looked him up in the phone book.

The Belli letter went to his private address 1228 Montgomery Street. Might be assumed that he had known him.

QT

Tom V made a point in a video a few months back that the shapes of the letters for the address on the envelope are written so that it looks like the shapes of the letters on the wall of the home.