Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the article " Your mirror can also see inside you" (as suggested by Mike) was the one that eventually prompted Z to tackle Count Marco. Perhaps it could be argued that there was a familiar theme here……I’m still inclined to believe that Zodiac, in his letter to Melvin Belli was deliberately (for whatever reason) referencing William Heirens and his infamous message written on a mirror " For God sake catch me before I kill more, I cannot control myself". He also speaks of this "thing inside won’t let him" and of course, is it then a surprise that he mentions the Exorcist later?

While I also agree that Z targetted CM for many of the reasons outlined, I also wonder if it wasn’t in part prompted by the change he was going through himself and if it was also a genuine defence of women/housewives. Might he have been in a relationship at that stage?

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the article " Your mirror can also see inside you" (as suggested by Mike) was the one that eventually prompted Z to tackle Count Marco. Perhaps it could be argued that there was a familiar theme here……I’m still inclined to believe that Zodiac, in his letter to Melvin Belli was deliberately (for whatever reason) referencing William Heirens and his infamous message written on a mirror " For God sake catch me before I kill more, I cannot control myself". He also speaks of this "thing inside won’t let him" and of course, is it then a surprise that he mentions the Exorcist later?

While I also agree that Z targetted CM for many of the reasons outlined, I also wonder if it wasn’t in part prompted by the change he was going through himself and if it was also a genuine defence of women/housewives. Might he have been in a relationship at that stage?

You may be correct. He wrote that letter to Belli to coincide with the 12/20 anniverary of LHR.

Well guess what, read this:

"On December 20, 1945, Frances Brown, a divorced woman,[9] was discovered with a knife lodged in her neck and bullet wound to the head in her apartment at 3941 North Pine Grove, Edgewater, Chicago, after a cleaning woman heard a radio playing loudly and noted Brown’s door partly open. Brown had been savagely stabbed, and authorities thought that a burglar had been discovered or interrupted. No valuables were taken[8] but someone had written a message in lipstick on the wall of Brown’s apartment:
For heavens sake catch me before I kill more I cannot control myself.[8]"

Coincidence? I think not. Seems Z was indeed familiar with that case. Maybe he read an article in the paper that mentioned the anniversary of the lipstick murder? Then again, since he struck on that date 1 year earlier, maybe he was aware of the Lipstick case the year before.

I’ve always thought the content of the Belli letter was too close to the Heirens message for there not to be a connection. Very interesting also that there are dates that align. It could also be argued of course ( especially in relation to riverside) that Z took a bit from Jack the Rippers book. He seems to have been someone who took ideas from elsewhere. I wonder if there are other famous cases that we could connect.

Yes. Zodiac as a "Student of Murder" is a splendid topic idea.

Yes. Zodiac as a "Student of Murder" is a splendid topic idea.

They are all students of each other, imo.

I’ve started a new thread about the similarities: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=888&p=7497#p7497

Speaking of the Citizen card, which we were, he wrote in as "The Zodiac" and used multiple stamps, but didn’t lick them OR the envelopes (the implication for me is that he knew about the saliva test of the time) – then the one time we’ve found him writing in "as himself", he didn’t even use a stamp, he used a pre-paid card.
Is that a coincidence, or was he THAT savvy, our friend?

Was the whole business of writing letters a construct? Something out-of-the-ordinary for him?

Say…….. is there any chance that the Citizen card is sincere?

Say…….. is there any chance that the Citizen card is sincere?

I doubt it. At least not in a conventional sense. Oxymoronically perhaps under pathological circumstances. Pathological because it is possible he’s aware of the irony yet may believe in the truth of what he’s writing.

Oxymoronically, well it is difficult to reconcile sincerity with his other traits. He obviously had opinions on things so it’s not impossible to believe that things like the citizen could have been, however odd it might sound, sincere – ie not from the ‘Zodiac’ as such. Actually he says that anyway by signing it ‘A Citizen’.

However, even if we accept that the Badlands letter was ‘sincere’ in its own context I have some problems. The Marco letter and the Exorcist letter.

The Exorcist letter is, in all but name, a true Zodiac communication. It’s about him and from him and contains a threat. Then we get the last 3 letters. With Zodiac ‘mode’ having just been activated in the Exorcist letter and to announce he’s back on the radar (letter-wise), I have to question the motive behind the next 3 letters, and as such, their sincerity.

This is further compounded by the Marco letter. Similar in content to the Citizen card albeit more specific in its criticisms but penned in a completely different graphic style. Why is the question. Why not write in the same style to the citizen letter? Well, my guess is either he’s playing a game regarding handwriting (a Zodiac thing?) or he’s worried about being tracked down (Evasion, mostly certainly in Zodiac mode).

So, with those points in mind, I personally find it difficult to attribute sincerity completely to the citizen card. With so much Zodiac hanging around those last letters, IMO, I would even question whether or not the content of the letters aren’t irony, nevermind sincerity.

Regarding the purpose of this letter, I recommend reading Mike Cole’s articles, "Ten Days of Count Marco" and "Count Marco Conclusions" for what I believe is an important clue.

http://zodiacrevisited.com/ten-days-of-count-marco/

http://zodiacrevisited.com/ten-days-of- … nclusions/

Mike had what I believe is an important insight into what triggered Z to write the Count Marco letter, and I believe his insights have implications for the interpretation of all the 1974 letters.

For me, the Count Marco letter was the one I doubted the most until I read Mike C’s posts. As I reflected on his findings, I believe I saw something new (to me, at least): a Z that was making an important transition that involved leaving the Z-identity behind and the beginning of a new one.

Mike’s insights led me to speculate even further, as you may see my comments on his articles–but it is his insights that matter most.

Thanks,

G

GG – I refuse!
This is a Citizen letter thread – I would NEVER waste my time on the Count Marco letter. So there. You can’t make me.

GG – I refuse!
This is a Citizen letter thread – I would NEVER waste my time on the Count Marco letter. So there. You can’t make me.

Either you do it, or my associates will have no choice but to remove the letter "M" (both upper and lower case) from the English language until you, Mr Smith, decide to comply–or coply, as the case ay be–with y request.

If your friends and faily happen to be inconvenienced by this arrangeent, Ister Sith, you will have nobody to blae but yourself.

G

Polo.

Polo.

Arco?

Regarding the purpose of this letter, I recommend reading Mike Cole’s articles, "Ten Days of Count Marco" and "Count Marco Conclusions" for what I believe is an important clue.

http://zodiacrevisited.com/ten-days-of-count-marco/

http://zodiacrevisited.com/ten-days-of- … nclusions/

Mike had what I believe is an important insight into what triggered Z to write the Count Marco letter, and I believe his insights have implications for the interpretation of all the 1974 letters.

For me, the Count Marco letter was the one I doubted the most until I read Mike C’s posts. As I reflected on his findings, I believe I saw something new (to me, at least): a Z that was making an important transition that involved leaving the Z-identity behind and the beginning of a new one.

Mike’s insights led me to speculate even further, as you may see my comments on his articles–but it is his insights that matter most.

Thanks,

G

I agree 100%, it’s possible Z was moving on to a new character or persona. The following letters were letters in the League City, TX area in the case of Laura Lynn miller, an odd 2 sided letter was sent to the Victim’s Father, Tim Miller(like the Bates case), The letter, signs off with ‘MY MO CHANGES’. Read thru it, if the letter is from Zodiac(or the guy formerly known as Zodiac)his MO changed, but the words,and phrases in his writing did not. Also, consider the fact that the letters were constructed remarkably like the Donna Lass case mailings, in a ‘playing card’ style,meaning that either side could be turned up,bottom or top,revealing a message.Compare their style & creation to that of the Lass mailings. The sender of this letter actually refers to himself as ‘phantom’, and basically states that ‘the police shall never catch me’, uses a zodiac crosshair like symbol, and starts off with ‘BOO it’s me'(like the Avery Halloween card). He even states that he ‘tampered with the evidence’, just as Zodiac stated he ‘left fake clews’. One suspect in the Lass case was George Victor Jonasson, and most interestingly, he moved to the League City,TX area, and was living there when Tim Miller got this letter.

GGluckman wrote:

"This transformed individual’s fascination with themes centering on the transformation and reshaping of women."

Do you think an individual like this might have sponsored the Virginia Slims Tour or nurtured the career of the first female jockey?

Mike

GGluckman wrote:

"This transformed individual’s fascination with themes centering on the transformation and reshaping of women."

Do you think an individual like this might have sponsored the Virginia Slims Tour or nurtured the career of the first female jockey?

Mike

Not sure if I could draw a straight line between them, but it seems conceivable. Certainly not inconsistent, in my mind.

G