Why don’t you contact Aes-Nihil? The Gaul/Sharp report is within the Zodiac File he has at his site. It’s the third from the bottom item for sale at this link.

http://www.aes-nihil.com/criminals.html

He also has an extensive list of Manson related things for sale. The Nelson material is sprinkled throughout the lists of stuff.

http://www.aes-nihil.com/manson.html

Contact info is at the bottom of each page.

Henning, Today’s your 1st day here, don’t make it your last. Seagull has forgotten more about these cases then you will ever know. She has done nothing but help research and investigation in these cases, and is honest. To come here questioning her honesty & integrity, and accuse her of faking this material is rediculous, and will NOT be tolerated. Nor will using this forum to trash Tom Voigt or anybody else. This is your one and only warning

Morf, I’m not questioning her honesty and integrity – but the honesty and integrity of her witnesses are non-existent. If you don’t believe me, that is your choice. Frankly, I had you figured as a more objective, reasonable, open-minded individual. Whether she has helped or hindered the research and investigation into this case remains to be seen – THE CASE IS STILL UNSOLVED. If it remains unsolved to our dying day, then she hasn’t helped anybody but Scientology.

If someone uploaded an affidavit signed under penalty of perjury by two witnesses who swore they saw you molest and rape a young girl, and the two witnesses were Pinocchio and the Tooth Fairy, wouldn’t you notice something wrong with that picture and say something? I didn’t trash Tom Voigt, but this is what explodes every time the investigation heads in the direction of Scientology. It always ends up we all start attacking each other. If you’re all Scientologists, then just tell me now and I will stop wasting my time and yours. If you’re not all Scientologists then we can solve this thing once and for all, I’m sure of it.

Personally, I think it was Bruce Davis along with Arther Leigh Allen AND Gykowski AND Lawrence Kane. Why couldn’t it be. If Kane and Allen and Gyke could be tied to Scientology, then we would solve the case. So, Ill ask here too: HAS ANYBODY INVESTIGATED THE SCIENTOLOGY DEATH THREAT to Cecelia Shepard? Why would Scientology want her dead? What was her connection to Scientology and Cheri Jo Bates? Had the two of them met at a Scientology meeting in Riverside, where they also met Arthur Leigh Allen and Bruce Davis?

Some of the above stuff did not transfer over well from the old site. Here are the first and second progress reports on the case.

Seagull, on the first page of Doreen Gaul Property Report, it states "Date & Time this Report: 11-14-69 1530" (5 lines down far left)

My question is, how can that be so when that is ONE WEEK BEFORE the date of the murders? (11-21-69)

Then on page 2 of that same Property Report the date & time are "11-26-69 1230".

And on page 1 "Date & Time Property taken into police custody: 11-26-69 0130" does NOT match the "11-22-69 0130" a few lines below like it should.

And this is on a crucial document involving the "Mexican or Indian hair"! I suspect the hair is more probably German or Danish, because "something smells rotten in Denmark".

Morf, before you censor me from your site, I’m not questioning Seagull’s honesty & integrity at all, but I would be derelict in my duties if I didn’t say anything about such critical errors.

One thing missed here, discussion of whether Gaul & Sharp could actually be Zodiac victims, or if at the very least, the zodiac letter found in her room was actuallt from Zeven if he didnt kill her.

"TIME IS SHORT," which is similar to something uttered by Z at Lake Berryessa". Thats an odd statement, yet Z used it at Lake B and we see it here in this letter. If somebody was joking with Gaul or trying to scare her, would they know enough details about the Berryessa attack to know Z used the phrase "time is short"?

Could this really be a z letter?

A couple other odd and creepy things- supposedly, Doreen Gaul’s parents lived in Albany NY, within site(supposedly a couple hundred yards)from the Albany Medical ctr, then, low and behold, we get a questioned Zodiac letter/cipher with a threat on that very medical ctr:
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=60

Just seems like a HUGE coincidence, anybody else think so?

The med ctr was located at 47 New Scotland Ave albany NY,I think thats the address, what was Doreen’s family’s address?

I read the name RUSSELL HANDY in the report,the RH initials caught my eye,anybody know who this guy is? In the 1940 census, there is this guy(his dad?)
NAME: Russell G Handy
BIRTH: abt 1907 – California
RESIDENCE: 1935 – Los Angeles, California
RESIDENCE: Hemet, Riverside, California

Also, I wonder if the RUSSELL HANDY in the report is actually, this one:
NAME: Gary Russell Handy
BIRTH: 29 Jul 1943 – San Diego, California

Also, do you see the name ARTHUR underlined in one of the reports?? A detective told me that there are two prime suspects in the case,and that one is named ARTHUR, and that he and another Guy acted together,and that one confessed,but later withdrew his confession.

Some of the above stuff did not transfer over well from the old site. Here are the first and second progress reports on the case.

Seagull, on the first page of Doreen Gaul Property Report, it states "Date & Time this Report: 11-14-69 1530" (5 lines down far left)

My question is, how can that be so when that is ONE WEEK BEFORE the date of the murders? (11-21-69)

Then on page 2 of that same Property Report the date & time are "11-26-69 1230".

And on page 1 "Date & Time Property taken into police custody: 11-26-69 0130" does NOT match the "11-22-69 0130" a few lines below like it should.

And this is on a crucial document involving the "Mexican or Indian hair"! I suspect the hair is more probably German or Danish, because "something smells rotten in Denmark".

Morf, before you censor me from your site, I’m not questioning Seagull’s honesty & integrity at all, but I would be derelict in my duties if I didn’t say anything about such critical errors.

This is something I had not noticed before. I do not know why the report was made out that way and can only offer a couple of suggestions as to how it may have happened.

The first suggestion, and the most likely in my opinion, is that Officer Purmer, who wrote up the property report containing items 1 thru 12, made a mistake and wrote a 1 instead of a 2 in the day portion of the date. In other words he meant to write 24 but wrote 14. The second suggestion would be that the month was written wrong. Maybe it should say 12 and not 11. I think this is less likely because it would mean that the property report was written approximately three weeks after the crime and it doesn’t jive with the property report that lists items 13, 14 and 15 and says it was written 11/26/69.

Some of the pages of the report are hand written and then typed out. This page of the report is one of those pages that has both hand written and typed out versions. Unfortunately the hand written page is slightly askew and the month of the date in question is cut off. The day portion of the date is quite clear though and Officer Purmer did write 14. Looking closely at the body of the report I can see that there other differences, too.

Item 2 in the hand written version says THREAD but item 2 in the typed version says THREAT.
Item 6 in the hand written version says fuzz and THREAD, item 6 in the typed version says THREAT.
Item 10 in the hand written version says matchbook and THREAD, item 10 in the typed version says THREAT.

There is a big difference between a thread and a threat!!! I do not know if it was Officer Purmer who typed out the report from his own hand written version or if it was a typist assigned to the task. There are no initials that a typist would normally put at the bottom of the report if that were the case. One could read into the situation that the report was sloppily executed no matter who originally wrote up the report and then typed it out. There were mistakes that should have been noticed and corrected. After having looked at many police reports over the years I have sadly noticed that attention to detail is not law enforcement’s strongest suit.

Here is the hand written version of the page in question.

Henning, to respond to the idea that I may have some personal connection to scientology, I do not. The only thing I know about scientology is what I have come across when doing research or what I have heard on the news. I have never studied it in depth. There are some things that warrant further study but for me scientology is not one of them. Is scientology crooked? Probably, but much in the same way that other doctrines by different names are crooked. Is the organization powerful? Hell yeah! They have managed to suck in the rich and famous and money can do powerful things.

I do not practice any religion or particular way of life but prefer to wing it and that’s worked out for me, so far!

I will only focus on Gaul Sharp case as I have done extensive research into it. We were the first to obtain the full PD reports due to the fact we gave Lt.Earl Deemer’s missing Murder Book to the Rampart Div.

Lt.Deemer told me that the ‘Zodiac typed note’ was found in Gaul’s room after her death. He would not give me the name of the Detective who recovered it, but did say it was discovered in her room, and that he had the only copy and that it was ‘never turned into evidence.’ We asked why and he said he was at that time ‘up to his eyeballs in 187’s’ and it never was submitted. He did tell me that he sent a copy to S.F. detectives who were working the Z case which was at that point two detectives that were called the ‘two Greeks.’ They were taken off the case and it was assigned to Inspectors Armstrong and Toschi. He may have thought they still were involved. Deemer believed Davis had something to do with the Z case.

Deemer was in charge of that case. His primary suspect was Bruce McGregor Davis. Davis was living down the hall from Gauls’ room at the Scientology manor. Lt. Deemer told us Davis was ‘furious’ with Gaul for dating a black man. Deemer told us when he saw the bodies of Gaul and Sharp in the alley he said aloud ‘whoever did Tate did these two. ‘I was informed that ‘Bruce and Tex killed them.’ Both were seen as reported by an informant then in a van trying to obtain funds and that if they didn’t get funds they were ‘going to kill.’ Davis left for the UK 11.24.69 just 3 days after the Gaul/Sharp murders. Tex left for Texas.

The note which I posted on my old site is all in caps. This is just like the Bates murder Confession letter 11/29/66. As in the (original)Confession the writer uses to instead of too.
It speaks of "time" as does the RS Confession.
Like in the RS Confession there are errors in the Z Gaul note. The Z is used. This is very rare as Zodiac uses it only twice in his Halloween card. I stand fully corrected if it is used in another place, but it it’s use was very rare. The Z note writer says Gaul was ‘beautiful’ as does the RS writer in that Confession referring to Cheri Jo Bates. There is a chain of what appears to be ‘nooses’ at the end of the letter and we all know Z was into this kind of thing. One example was the Halloween card.
I asked Deemer since he had a copy of the Gaul Z note where he thought the original was. He surprised me by saying that the copy in his Murder Book was the original, and that it was a copy! The RS Confession as we know was not the original, but a copy!
The note refers to the writer as the "Zodiac killer with a misplaced Z . Zodiac did say in his fist Z missives he was the "killer. "He had not used the moniker Zodiac until a month later ,but said he was the killerr and in another letter he was the "murderer."There are some other things, but enough for now. This Z note is like a miniature version of the 1966 Confession. The Z note by turning a 9 over(11/21/69 murder of Gaul/Sharp) it becomes 1966. Just a curiosity is all.
Cheri was knifed to death in an alley was Gaul and Sharp. In the LAPD reports Magnolia Av.is mentioned as in the Bates case-and this street with the same name is very close to where they were killed. There were foxtails found under each body. I wondered if this were a clue. just something one thinks about in this kind of case. For some reason I checked maps at LB there was a place called Foxtail Flats. LB is where another couple was knifed by Z.I was told that hippies used to go to Foxtail Flats in the 60s.I got a lot of flack(what’s new) from some posters saying there was no such place/name, or they doubted there was, etc. And they ‘never heard of it,’ and that it was’ not on any maps.’ Well, it is! Also, it’s like all three crimes were in a form or RS/LB, Gaul- Sharp. Or elements of each crime.

There was 11/21/69 a full moon (same for BRS/LB and RS)when Gaul/Sharp were murdered. Manson was arraigned earlier on this very day 11/21/69 in Independence, CA. All just FYI

As to Arthur the suspect. Deemer told us that this detective said he’ solved’ the Gaul/Sharp crimes by fingering Arthur and his partner. Deemer said he ‘drinks too much!’ That is was not true. He carefully interviewed Arthur and he was totally certain he was not involved. Also, some crime details did not match up with the G/S case at all. I researched al of this and feel certain Art was not involved. Deemer would have ‘loved’ to have solved that case and pin it on this Art, and his friend , but he said there was no evidence at all on either man. Zero he said. It’s long story, but one was trying to get out of prison. Also he missed a key piece of evidence -that both victims were hit with a motorcycle chain!!!You can see the patterns on their faces in the autopsy photos I have. BD did own a BMW MC.

The handwritten version has even more date-switches & spelling errors. So on ONE page of your ‘debunk BD data’, we have over 20 different errors & mistakes, some of them very vital mistakes such as Date of Report and Date Property Taken, ‘threat’ instead of ‘thread’, etc. etc. etc.

And we havn’t even started talking about the Progress Reports (I’m on page 4 and have counted 21 major errors so far, but it would take gigs of storage space and dozens of hours typing to list them all, and neither of us want that).

So averaging it out over about 12 pages, that’s over 90 serious errors, typos, omissions, whatever. Fact is, we don’t know WHAT Purmer meant by ANYTHING – what date, what evidence, where it was located, when it was taken, who witnessed it, etc. etc. etc.

Nothing in those reports can be relied upon. Those Progress Reports and Property Reports would be laughed at and thrown out in any court of law, as they should be, and rightfully so. The only thing those docs prove is that the police have a mole.

That’s what happens when somebody profits off of what should be public information. Can you upload the ORIGINAL police report, the one NOT based on a witness who had a dream that a black man killed Gaul & Sharp? Other than AES-NIL selling it, I still can’t find the ORIGINAL AUTHENTIC Police Report anywhere.

Hen wrote "That’s what happens when somebody profits off of what should be public information. Can you upload the ORIGINAL police report"

Who is profiting by the way, in your opinion? I think you need to do yourself a favor and read thru the full zodiac reports, they are choc full of spelling errors, and things are written in a confusing way.

The pages of the report that I got from Aes-Nihil do not include the actual police report. It has the first and second progress reports, a couple of pages of the preliminary report which I posted and then there are quite a few pages dealing with the two black suspects Arthur Davis and James Green. There is also a 2+ page letter from the DA’s office stating that there is insufficient evidence to charge Davis and Green with the murders. I have posted the most pertinent pages from what I have.

Hen wrote "That’s what happens when somebody profits off of what should be public information. Can you upload the ORIGINAL police report"

Who is profiting by the way, in your opinion?

Besides Scientology, Aes-Nihl is profiting immensely. He’s selling police reports for profit, which is reprehensible if you ask me. The longer the Gaul-Sharp case remains unsolved, the more money he stands to make. For that reason alone, nothing he sells can be trusted as accurate.

These Progress Reports contain far too many critical errors to be relied upon. Sure, police are always messing up crime scenes, witness statements, dates & times, lying, framing, etc. That’s why reports are thrown out of court many times and the guilty go free.

Here’s what the facts support:

Doreen Gaul was disenchanted with Scientology. Her father had already sent her the one-way ticket home. She was murdered because she wanted out of Scientology. It was a message to any others who might also be thinking of leaving. The Zodiac killer letter in her room said "you thought you could fool the old killer…" – Bruce Davis had just found out she was leaving Scientology, leaving L.A., leaving him.

He already knew she was dating a black guy, everybody knew. By "old killer" he meant he had killed many times before so it wasn’t "new" to him. Whoever killed her knew her, because the letter was left in her room. Whoever left the letter is the killer, or one of the killers, and whoever is the killer is a Scientologist.

The most likely scenario is that Bruce and Tex offered them a ride home from that ASHO building in the VW van, then raped Doreen and killed them both in the van probably in the parking lot of ASHO. Then tried to make it look like the Process or motorcycle gangs were responsible. They cut out the right eyeballs because they probably were going to mail them with the original letter to the Times and the police dept. but something happened to alter the plan.

During this whole time period, 1969-1970, Scientology has at least two covert GO agents working in the LAPD Rampart division (Officer Dimauro & John St. John) who are stealing files, planting fraudulent documents, tampering with evidence, forging reports, etc. etc. etc., so they could steer the investigation away from Scientology anytime it got too close.

While all this was going on, Deputy Guardian for Intell U.S. Terry Milner was conducting his own "investigation", and through the use of dreams of brainwashed witnesses, or visions of brainwashed psychics, or forced confessions of brainwashed suspects, he was able to keep the LAPD on a wild goose chase and away from the real killers, ie. Scientology/BD/TW.

There is no evidence that Tex Watson was anywhere but Texas the entire month of November 1969. If you can provide that evidence then please do, otherwise it’s just hearsay.

There is no evidence that Tex Watson was anywhere but Texas the entire month of November 1969. If you can provide that evidence then please do, otherwise it’s just hearsay.

There is the informant who saw BD and Tex together in the van, in Las Vegas immediately after the murders, when they said that they would kill if they didn’t get funds. Then Tex fled to Texas and BD split for GO hdqrtrs. in London where he met his cramming officer for his auditing "fix". And he must have not gotten the funds he wanted because he killed Pugh a few days later just like he promised.

As for Tex, there’s no evidence he was in Texas BEFORE the Gaul murders, except for hearsay evidence of course.