Henning, to respond to the idea that I may have some personal connection to scientology, I do not. The only thing I know about scientology is what I have come across when doing research or what I have heard on the news. I have never studied it in depth. There are some things that warrant further study but for me scientology is not one of them.

Cecilia Shepard got a death threat from a Scientologist the day before she was killed; so chances are extremely high that she was killed by a Scientologist – that doesn’t warrant further study?

Two Scientologists, one who was leaving Scientology, are murdered by a Scientologist and their bodies dumped in the alley behind a Scientology commune – that doesn’t warrant further study?

Bruce Davis, a major suspect, is a full-blown, die-hard Scientologist who lived in a Scientology manor and dated 9 different Scientologists who also lived in that Scientology manor, a few of which are also possible Z victims – that doesn’t warrant further investigation?

Doreen Gaul, a Scientologist who had at least 2 boyfriends who were also Scientologists, was murdered by a Scientologist who claimed to be Z, and witnessed by nobody but Scientologists – that doesn’t warrant further study?

Now replace every occurrence of the word "Scientologist" above with the words "CIA spy" or "seventh day adventist" or "the process". I bet you would study THOSE further, and in fact you have in many past posts studied them, and in great intricate detail.

Yet, the Z case remains further from solution than it has ever been. Something needs to change or it will remain unsolved forever. You have to face the fact that Scientology is a key suspect in the Z case.

Henning, a couple things.

First, show proof that C. Shepard was threatened the day before her murder.

If Gaul was sexually assaulted, that does not fit zodiac.

Lastly, just my opinion (sorry Howard) but Bruce Davis was NOT zodiac, because he was arrested 2 days after the Stine murder with a full beard, the man who killed Stine was clean shaven.

The two most interesting things about Gaul & Sharp are the letter found in her room and the fact she lived in Albany NY where there are other possible z connections, but besides that, there is not much

Henning, a couple things.

First, show proof that C. Shepard was threatened the day before her murder.

If Gaul was sexually assaulted, that does not fit zodiac.

Lastly, just my opinion (sorry Howard) but Bruce Davis was NOT zodiac, because he was arrested 2 days after the Stine murder with a full beard, the man who killed Stine was clean shaven.

The two most interesting things about Gaul & Sharp are the letter found in her room and the fact she lived in Albany NY where there are other possible z connections, but besides that, there is not much

Ask Tom Voigt about the proof of Shepard’s death threat. All posts have been deleted and it seems everybody’s memory has also been deleted with regards to what Carolyn told Tom; but it doesn’t change the fact that it happened.

You are all gonna have to deal with some facts that can’t be ignored if you’re serious about solving this case.

With Stine, what if A. Allen or Lawrence Kane killed Stine? What proof is there that BD had a full beard when arrested? What proof is there that the killer was clean shaven? The girls from the Scientology commune that testified he was clean shaven? If every witness in the Stine case is a Scientologist, like every witness in the Gaul case, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

Everybody in Scientology knew BD and they were afraid of him. They did not want to become the next Z victim. And didn’t Z hail the cab after coming out of the same building that the witnesses were also at, or very close to it?

Beards grow a lot in two days, nobody felt Z’s cheeks to see how clean shaven he was, did they? Be all that as it may, I’m not so sure it WAS BD that killed Stine, but that doesnt mean he is not the Zodiac Killer, or one of them. The Zodiac "killer" is most likely a group.

Gaul was raped; no two murders were identical; Z evolved, he changed, he grew, he regressed; Gaul was different – he had raped her before. He also wanted it to look like she was raped by black guys or mexican guys; and she was. She was raped by the donor of the "mexican hair" – the guy below on the right – Bruce Martinez Diaz.

I have a full set of unredacted, unedited police reports from Berryessa, and the investigation, and there is ZERO mention of any threat against her. But, you are welcome to chase as much as you like, any blind alley you choose, it’s your time.

Sounds like someone has an axe to grind with Scientology!

I have a full set of unredacted, unedited police reports from Berryessa, and the investigation, and there is ZERO mention of any threat against her. But, you are welcome to chase as much as you like, any blind alley you choose, it’s your time.

There is ZERO mention in the Gaul/Sharp police reports of any threat also, but we know there was a death threat letter. Plus, most death threats aren’t in police reports – that’s why they are called "death threats" ("if you tell the police, i will kill you"…).

But when a sister comes forward many years later and tells someone, she is risking her life enormously. Carolyn Shepard would not say something incriminating AGAINST Scientology if it were not true. Doing so would only endanger her life and make her a prime target for another round of ‘Church’ killings.

She finally got the courage after all these years to come forward and say something, and I commend her greatly. I wonder if she is still alive. Don’t you believe Tom Voigt? Ask him what Carolyn told him, or do you already know what she told him and choose to believe the police reports instead?

It’s amazing how you guys are so anti-Bruce Davis as Z suspect. You would rather believe police reports from LE – the very same LE that has failed miserably in solving this case for over 4 decades.

You see the word ‘Scientology’ and automatically you think ‘Bruce Davis’ and you just throw out or ignore the evidence because your so dead-set against the possibility that maybe just maybe BD might be at least a little bit guilty.

My question is ‘Why?’ Why are you all so stubborn and entrenched in your certainty that Bruce Davis is innocent?

Please provide a source for her Sister saying she was threatened.

Sounds like someone has an axe to grind with Scientology!

I’m just trying to correct some false information that permeates the internet regarding Manson’s and Davis’ involvement with Scientology. A massive PR campaign that continues to this day to spread lies and misinformation has been orchestrated by the Scientology PR juggernaut.

Bruce Davis and Charles Manson are loyal, die-hard Scientologists to this very day. When Bruce Davis gets released from prison, all hopes of ever solving the Z case will vanish, because he will have no reason to fess up if he’s not trying to get parole, and no other viable suspects are still alive.

Please provide a source for her Sister saying she was threatened.

The source is Tom Voigt. Carolyn Shepard told Tom Voigt over the telephone that Cecelia recieved a death threat from Scientology.

Do you really not know that? Two years ago it was posted on Tom’s site but I can’t find it anywhere now. Is Tom denying it now?

Please provide a source for her Sister saying she was threatened.

The source is Tom Voigt. Carolyn Shepard told Tom Voigt over the telephone that Cecelia recieved a death threat from Scientology.

Do you really not know that? Two years ago it was posted on Tom’s site but I can’t find it anywhere now. Is Tom denying it now?

I hadn’t heard it, and don’t know if it is true.

Personaly I have no opinion for or against on the "Ceclia Shepherd’s sister Carolyn said that Ceclia recived at death threat from Scientology the day before she died" issue, but here is the info in question:

http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/gzd/39.html

By Bruce Monson (The_Adversary) (mail.ci.colospgs.co.us – 204.131.210.1) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 – 10:44 pm:

Howard wrote:

Bruce M.

By Tom Voigt (Tomvoigt) (aca3146f.ipt.aol.com – 172.163.20.111) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 – 10:53 pm:
Carolyn Shepard’s memory was rather vague, but she told me that she thought Cecelia had received a threat in Riverside, and that it might have involved scientology in some way.

Thank you for finding that TF! That was on Tom’s original forum more than 10 years years ago. I took Henning at his word and was trying to find a reference to Cecelia and scientology on the most recent forum and in the News Center. I’m glad you cleared that up!! Given the amount of time that has passed there is no wonder that people had forgotten or just never knew.

Personaly I have no opinion for or against on the "Ceclia Shepherd’s sister Carolyn said that Ceclia recived at death threat from Scientology the day before she died" issue, but here is the info in question:

http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/gzd/39.html

By Bruce Monson (The_Adversary) (mail.ci.colospgs.co.us – 204.131.210.1) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 – 10:44 pm:

Howard wrote:

Also,in an phone interview with Ceclia Shepherd’s sister ,Tom told me that the sister told him the day before her sister Ceclia died, Ceclia told her that there was a "death threat" and that it had something to do with "Scientology"!

BRUCE:
Tom, can you verify that Cecilia’s sister did in fact make such a statement, as Howard quotes above, to you? Did Cecilia receive a "death threat" the day before she died? Was there mention of "Scientology"?

Regards,

Bruce M.

By Tom Voigt (Tomvoigt) (aca3146f.ipt.aol.com – 172.163.20.111) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 – 10:53 pm:
Carolyn Shepard’s memory was rather vague, but she told me that she thought Cecelia had received a threat in Riverside, and that it might have involved scientology in some way.

Does anybody agree that Scientology deserves more scrutiny than it has received in the Z case? Another month, and the death threat to Cecilia from Scientology (according to her sister) would have been forgotten forever.

Carolyn put her life in great danger by revealing that vital piece of information, the least we could do is discuss it every now and then (on the proper thread of course) to show our appreciation for her courage in doing so.

From the Second Progress Report, a witness named Terry Milner, who was the Deputy Guardian for Intell U.S. and a close friend of Bruce Davis, was doing his own "investigation" into the murders of Gaul and Sharp. In fact, while the police were busy trying to frame the two black guys who obviously didn’t commit the murders, Scientology’s "investigation" led to a different pair of suspects.

The main suspect according to Terry Milner was a woman! Expelled Scientologist Marie Cameron and her boyfriend Edward Milletich were the only suspects according to Scientology. The trouble was, just like with the cops’ two black guys, there was no evidence linking the suspects to the crime or to the victims.

The attached Intell US Weekly Reports were all written by Terry Milner in his capacity as Deputy Guardian Intell, Why was he and the police trying to force confessions from suspects that everybody knew were innocent? Marie Cameron was in prison, her husband John Cameron (who Scientology thought was the "informant") was in Chino Prison, Milletich was in prison, and Scientology had a plant in CII named Joel Taylor who was going around questioning them all then reporting back to Terry Milner.

Seagull, have you ever dug up anything on these suspects before? Because if you can’t and the police cant and Scientology cant produce any evidence linking the various suspects to the victims, then we’re right back where we started:

Bruce Davis is most certainly the killer(or at least one of the killers) of Gaul and Sharp.

Here is another Intell U.S. Weekly Report regarding Terry Milner’s "investigation". (3 page limit on attachments?)