Are they talking about the letter they suspected Dave Toschi wrote? Seems like the date may be correct.

Go get ’em Morf.

Yes Morf that April 78 letter is the one that most experts first endorsed then unendorsed.

1978 was a very strange year for the Zodiac case. It started with the April 1978 letter, first confirmed as a real Zodiac letter, then revealed to have some tracing, then most experts said it was probably fake, but Morrill still said it was real, then the controversy over whether Inspector Toschi wrote it, which was never proven and I personally doubt very much. Meaning I think it is probably fake, but I doubt Toschi did it.

I posted more here about the three 1978 letters and the 1981 Atlanta letter, and the fact that two from 1978 and the 1981 all use stamps from the same series:

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For the Chronicle articles on this letter and Toschi Look here-

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So very sad what was done to the best Det. they will ever have on the Zodiac case.

So very sad what was done to the best Det. they will ever have on the Zodiac case.

Very much a shame and I bet a HUGE regret of Toschi’s having ever written those fake letters to Maupin.

I still think there was a good chance Maupin was behind that letter. Either directly or indirectly. He obviously had a sense of how Toschi wrote. Sort of giving him a taste of his own medicine??

Why did Maupin feel the need to go (so very) public and humiliate Toschi in such a way? Obviously some animosity there.

So very sad what was done to the best Det. they will ever have on the Zodiac case.

Very much a shame and I bet a HUGE regret of Toschi’s having ever written those fake letters to Maupin.

I still think there was a good chance Maupin was behind that letter. Either directly or indirectly. He obviously had a sense of how Toschi wrote. Sort of giving him a taste of his own medicine??

Why did Maupin feel the need to go (so very) public and humiliate Toschi in such a way? Obviously some animosity there.

Tahoe, There seems to be a misunderstanding, Toschi never wrote any "Zodiac" letters . He wrote three or four fan letters praising himself to Maupin, of which he admitted to , he never signed them Zodiac, nor did he intend for them to be thought to be from Zodiac. It was Maupin and the Roper Det. agency,who made a mountian out of a mole hill.They were assuming he wrote Zodiac letters.
Sherwood Morrill looked at Toschi’s writing and said that there was not a match to Zodiac’s. That if Toschi wrote the 1978 letter then he wrote all of them and is the Zodiac. Other experts like John Shimoda , David De Garmo agreed with Morrill that the latest 1978 letter was from Zodiac. I think that rather than animosity towards Toschi, it was more of Maupin’s grandstanding, selling more news papers, making a name for himself. I trust that the main experts were correct, especially Sherwood Morrill.

I know you don’t believe that 1978 letter was a Zodiac letter and that is ok, you have a right to your opinion. We can agree to disagree thank goodness.

Sandy–

Read my post again.

I mention him writing the fake letters to Maupin. I do not believe Toschi faked any Zodiac letters.

Sandy–

Read my post again.

I mention him writing the fake letters to Maupin. I do not believe Toschi faked any Zodiac letters.

Oh thank goodness, it was the word "fake" that seemed to sound like fake Z letters to me. thank you, I am glad we are on the same page . I like Toschi so much ,not only because he was the one Det. who listened and was very interested in everything I told him. He truly wanted to catch the sick evil killer.(I am overly protective of Toschi.) Other Det. I have talked to have blank looks on their faces, like no bodys home? They just don’t know the case like the Det. who were around when it all happened. I feel like we need to educate them and that bothers me.

Let’s, for a second, assume that this letter is an genuine Z communication.

The handwriting appears to be very, very much Z style (e.g. the ‘Editor’), very close to e.g. the Belli letter. Here, Z refers to ‘city pig’ and ‘control’, also unveils his affinity for movies. His prowling is way stronger (‘better’) than e.g. in the Channel 9 letter (‘see you in the news’), also is his egocentric position very clear to see (used the word ‘I’ six times..). Also he is giving direct orders (‘Tell’).

So let’s assume it’s a real one.

First, he is referring to Herb Caen AND Toschi. Why? Because it was in the news? Personally I don’t think that this is enough reason

"Tell herb caen I am here, I have always been here"
Where? At the SF Chronicle? This has been discussed before..

"I am back with you"
Why back with you? Generally speaking? Or did he re-start to work at the SF Chronicle?

and now, here we go:

"That city pig toschi is good (…) he will get tired then leave me alone"
How does he know that Toschi is involved (ok, may be from the news..), but how does he know that he is ‘good’ at what he’s doing? He will get tired and then ‘leave him alone’ (!)?

IMO, Z unveiled at least two things with this letter:

1.) He knew Herb Caen and possibly was quite close to him, too.
2.) He knew Toschi, realized that he was pretty close to catch him

This letter has NO OTHER information at all. It’s simply saying that: I am here, with Herb Caen, and Toschi is good at his work. Nothing else (except him waiting for a movie).

Toschi had interviewed approximately 5,000 people in the Z case, and I guess many of them at the SF Chronicle. Now I wonder if Z, at that time, had interviewed or talked to Z? What if someone who had known Herb Caen had realised that Caen was interviewed by Toschi? Therefore Z knowing BOTH persons, Toschi and Herb Caen?

Of course, a lot of speculation, but what if there IS a person who had known e.g. Herb caen AND Toschi? Or Herb Caen AND Melvin Belli? This would narrow the suspects quite a lot..

I think we should consider that Z does not accidentially refer to Toschi and Caen. IMO there was some incident that had stirred Z up, making him sending this – very cautious – letter. ‘Will get tired, then leave me alone’ actually implies that Toschi was quite close..rather than ‘Toschi is just stirring in the dark’ or similar. I assume that this incident had happened only days or weeks before the letter was sent. It just wouldn’t make sense to send such a letter e.g. 8 months after Z had known about Toschi talking e.g. to Herb Caen.

The letter is even somehow confirming (‘activities down there’) that Toschi had made some success, obviously related to Herb Caen, doesn’t it?

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/ … 2&start=40

QT