I don’t like ALA as a Zodiac suspect, however, I did notice that on Tom Voigt’s web site, there is a picture of ALA with two women whose faces are blacked out, he has his arms around the girls. in the first picture, i noticed that ALA is wearing a wrist watch on his left wrist, which is weird because he’s left handed, right? In the second picture he could possibly be holding a pair of glasses, which I thought he didn’t wear. Has anyone noticed this before?

Edit: this may be going even further out on a limb, but, lol, if you look at the class photo in the same link, you’ll see that ALA is holding his left hand with right hand, also, his right foot is further back than his left, probably because he is supporting his body weight entirely with his right leg, with his left leg pushed forward, probably because he is "right footed"

https://www.zodiackiller.com/AllenPhotos2.html

That doesn’t mean anything. I’m right-handed, so I write with my right hand but I’ve always worn my watch on my right wrist. Also, I play basketball but I’ve never been able to jump off my left leg, so I’ve always used my right leg to jump, which led me to "develop" my left hand for moves around the basket. And of course, there’s a few things I can do with my left hand now.
My teammate Will is another good example. I’ve absolutely always seen him play ball with his right hand as his main hand, I mean, for years. One day, I saw him write something on a piece of paper with his left hand. I asked him why he used his left hand to write, since he was right-handed. His answer was that he has always been a lefty but always felt more confortable to play basketball using his right hand and his left leg.

That doesn’t mean anything. I’m right-handed, I write with my right hand and I’ve always worn my watch on my right wrist. Also, I play basketball but I’ve never been able to jump off my left leg, so I’ve always used my right leg to jump, which led me to "develop" my left hand for moves around the basket. And of course, there’s a few things I can do with my left hand now.
My teammate Will is another good example. I’ve absolutely always seen him play ball with his right hand as his main hand, I mean, for years. One day, I saw him write something on a piece of paper with his left hand. I asked him why he used his left hand to write, since he was right-handed. His answer was that he has always been a lefty but always felt more confortable to play basketball using his right hand and his left leg.

I totally agree it doesn’t mean anything. But it’s certainly not what one would expect. The majority of right handed people wear their watches on the left and vis-versa. I’m right handed, but wear my watch on my right wrist to conceal a tattoo, so i totally get that it happens, but usually not. He could have been "posing" for picture, like most people do, and did something he would not normally do with his legs or hands be he was nervous, uncomfortable, didn’t like being photographed, etc, but the fact is still there in the photos, he was left handed but had had his watch on the wrong hand. Maybe the watch was designed for a right handed person, and he’s just another lefty living in a right handed world.

Watches for right/left-handed persons? Never heard of that! There is no right or wrong side for wearing a watch.

Watches for right/left-handed persons? Never heard of that! There is no right or wrong side for wearing a watch.

Watches are available for left handed people. The crown is on the left side of the watch instead of the right. Perhaps it’s not "wrong", but are typically engineered to be used with fingers/thumb on your dominant hand. You could use it anyway you want, but if your left handed with a watch on your right wrist that has a right side crown, there is a more ergonomic option out there

An apple watch is a bit like a modern example, where you have to tell the watch which wrist you have it on. Unlike an analog watch, you can rotate the smart watch, so the crown is on the left, and the screen will re-orientate when that option is selected.

? Well, you can manipulate the crown with your other hand, even if the crown is directed toward your arm instead of your hand. I’ve been doing that all my life, and if I can do it, anybody can.
But whatever, I highly doubt ALA was the Zodiac. That picture of him with hair is weird, I mean, he still looks like he’s losing his hair, I don’t think such wigs ever existed.

There are so many things that point to Arthur Leigh Allen being the Zodiac Killer. The odds of all of that just being a coincidence has to be astronomical. But on the other hand, the witnesses that saw Zodiac on the night that Paul Stine was murdered have said that Arthur Leigh Allen was not the man they saw. So what do you do? Do you keep him in the mix because of the mountain of evidence against him or do you cross him off your suspect list because of what those witnesses said?

Hartnell doesn’t think Allen was the Zodiac, either.

There are so many things that point to Arthur Leigh Allen being the Zodiac Killer. The odds of all of that just being a coincidence has to be astronomical. But on the other hand, the witnesses that saw Zodiac on the night that Paul Stine was murdered have said that Arthur Leigh Allen was not the man they saw. So what do you do? Do you keep him in the mix because of the mountain of evidence against him or do you cross him off your suspect list because of what those witnesses said?

Well, several suspects have a lot of "evidence" pointing to them too. But what we need is proof.

There are so many things that point to Arthur Leigh Allen being the Zodiac Killer. The odds of all of that just being a coincidence has to be astronomical. But on the other hand, the witnesses that saw Zodiac on the night that Paul Stine was murdered have said that Arthur Leigh Allen was not the man they saw. So what do you do? Do you keep him in the mix because of the mountain of evidence against him or do you cross him off your suspect list because of what those witnesses said?

DNA evidence, Fingerprint evidence and Hand writing evidence taken together all proved that it was not him. If it wasn’t for Graysmith he would have been forgotten a long time ago.

For example if I or somebody mentioned a completely different POI who had previously been ruled out on the above 3 would people still talk about them ? I seriously doubt it, the accusers would shot down and ridiculed for suggesting it.

Another thing about the photos. I can’t tell if his white button up shirt has a pocket on each side of the shirt or just the left side, but if the shirt has two pockets, i also think it’s strange that a left handed person would keep their checkbook (or whatever is in his front pocket) in his left pocket. Again, this is a thing a right handed person is more likely to do. Does anyone else see two pockets or just one? I really can’t tell.

Another thing about the photos. I can’t tell if his white button up shirt has a pocket on each side of the shirt or just the left side, but if the shirt has two pockets, i also think it’s strange that a left handed person would keep their checkbook (or whatever is in his front pocket) in his left pocket. Again, this is a thing a right handed person is more likely to do. Does anyone else see two pockets or just one? I really can’t tell.

According to his friends, family and people who worked with him, he had no preference for either hand and would switch between both hands when he was doing work or a task. He was also able to write with both hands.

There are so many things that point to Arthur Leigh Allen being the Zodiac Killer. The odds of all of that just being a coincidence has to be astronomical. But on the other hand, the witnesses that saw Zodiac on the night that Paul Stine was murdered have said that Arthur Leigh Allen was not the man they saw. So what do you do? Do you keep him in the mix because of the mountain of evidence against him or do you cross him off your suspect list because of what those witnesses said?

DNA evidence, Fingerprint evidence and Hand writing evidence taken together all proved that it was not him. If it wasn’t for Graysmith he would have been forgotten a long time ago.

For example if I or somebody mentioned a completely different POI who had previously been ruled out on the above 3 would people still talk about them ? I seriously doubt it, the accusers would shot down and ridiculed for suggesting it.

The DNA thing is not true. LE made clear back in 2018 when they gave interviews about the new DNA testing, That ALA was still in the running as a suspect. If fingerprints ruled out for certain I doubt they would still consider him a suspect all these years later.

There are so many things that point to Arthur Leigh Allen being the Zodiac Killer. The odds of all of that just being a coincidence has to be astronomical. But on the other hand, the witnesses that saw Zodiac on the night that Paul Stine was murdered have said that Arthur Leigh Allen was not the man they saw. So what do you do? Do you keep him in the mix because of the mountain of evidence against him or do you cross him off your suspect list because of what those witnesses said?

DNA evidence, Fingerprint evidence and Hand writing evidence taken together all proved that it was not him. If it wasn’t for Graysmith he would have been forgotten a long time ago.

For example if I or somebody mentioned a completely different POI who had previously been ruled out on the above 3 would people still talk about them ? I seriously doubt it, the accusers would shot down and ridiculed for suggesting it.

The DNA thing is not true. LE made clear back in 2018 when they gave interviews about the new DNA testing, That ALA was still in the running as a suspect. If fingerprints ruled out for certain I doubt they would still consider him a suspect all these years later.

Go on I will bite, please explain the fingerprint issue to me ? I did say the evidence should be taken together, if one pointed to him I could understand the continued fascination.

He wore a Zodiac watch, like thousands of other people. His favourite book was one that was used in high school English literature, tens if not hundreds of thousands would have read this book in school. He was accused by somebody who had a vendetta against him (DC), and let’s be honest he was not the most trustworthy source. His story has changed that much over the years he has lost all credibility. Oh and let’s not forget the later accusation, hmm that was definitely from an upstanding member of the community with nothing to gain wasn’t it.

Granted ALA was not a particularly nice person but was he Zodiac, sorry we will just to agree to disagree on this one.

<The DNA thing is not true. LE made clear back in 2018 when they gave interviews about the new DNA testing, That ALA was still in the running as a suspect. If fingerprints ruled out for certain I doubt they would still consider him a suspect all these years later.>

Agreed. Which is why Vallejo PD in 2018 said Allen is ‘probably still the best lead’.