Dick Cheney’s statement and Michael Magneau’s identification is enough to keep ALA alive as a viable suspect. It was also enough to indict ALA for the murder of Darlene Ferrin. However, I doubt if there was enough to warrant a conviction. ALA own words were also quite damning and may have been turned against him at a trial. I think he was somehow involved in the Zodiac murders. I believe he pulled the death trigger a few times. ALA was also a suspect before Cheney and Magneau made their statements.
The DNA was from an unattended stamp that had been in a shoe box stuffed in a filing cabinet in the back of the basement at police headquarters may have been contaminated. I wouldn’t rule it out completely but it is not ‘bulletproof’ to use a terrible metaphor.
Dick Cheney’s statement and Michael Magneau’s identification is enough to keep ALA alive as a viable suspect. It was also enough to indict ALA for the murder of Darlene Ferrin. However, I doubt if there was enough to warrant a conviction. ALA own words were also quite damning and may have been turned against him at a trial. I think he was somehow involved in the Zodiac murders. I believe he pulled the death trigger a few times. ALA was also a suspect before Cheney and Magneau made their statements.
The DNA was from an unattended stamp that had been in a shoe box stuffed in a filing cabinet in the back of the basement at police headquarters may have been contaminated. I wouldn’t rule it out completely but it is not ‘bulletproof’ to use a terrible metaphor.
Dick Cheney was the Vice President of the United States. DON Cheney was the acquaintance of Arthur Leigh Allen who thought ALA may have been the Z. Just for the record.
LOL. There was a user on the IMDB Zodiac board who always called him Dick Cheney too. That was the most popular, and really only place, where people thought ALA was Z. Well, one or two people and their numerous sock puppet accounts. You wouldn’t happend’ve been a poster there Bugs?
ALA was also a suspect before Cheney and Magneau made their statements.
When was that exactly? Can you please post the timeline?
It was also enough to indict ALA for the murder of Darlene Ferrin.
How could he be indicted when he wasn’t even arrested? Sorry to be rude, but you seem to be operating on some incorrect information.
ALA was never indicted or arrested. You’re correct there. I should have said that based upon Michael and Don Cheney testimony that that was enough to go to court with. I think the Vallejo police were getting the paperwork ready for an arrest and indictment when ALA died suddenly in 1992. For the life of me I can’t remember the police chief’s name. I recently watched the documentary (His Name was Arthur Leigh Allen) and the chief did said that he received a call about the death of ALA right when he was ready to go through the final process of getting a warrant to make the arrest. THis wouuld been circa 1992, shortly after Michael identified the photograph of ALA. Oh, yes, I’m on the other site and I constantly refer to Don Cheney and Dick.
Right after the Berryessa attacks the police received a telephone call about ‘bloody knives" in ALA car. We all know the story. I believe it was Officer Lynch who was the one who went to checkout the lead but he thought ALA was too bald to be the man who was wearing the mask at Berryessa. Perhaps ‘suspect’ is the wrong word to use, but ALA showed up on LE radar as far back as 1969. Don Cheney’s statement was made in 1971. Michael Magneau made his identification in 1991 or 1992. The Vallejo police were in the process of arresting ALA in 1992 when he died suddenly.
I hope this clarifies what I was getting at. So, yes, I think ALA is still worthy of consideration as a POI in the Zodiac case.
The policeman’s name was George Bawart and he talks about his interview with Michael at 37.16 in the documentary and at 39.11 he talks about he was about ready to go to the district attorney to get the warrant for the arrest of when he received a telephone call about ALA’s death.
It would have made for an interesting court case. I’m sure ALA’s defense team would have brought in fingerprints, handwriting and eye witnesses (the three teenagers and the police officer) to prove ALA wasn’t the Zodiac while the D.A’s team would have had to state over and over again that they weren’t trying to convict ALA for the murder of Paul Stine or anybody else but Darlene Ferrin. It’s interesting to speculate how ALA would have handled being up at the stand? Would he have been as mouthy as he had been with Tosci? If he was part of a Zodiac team would he have ratted out his partner.
Anyway, I enjoyed giving more information to you. No, you weren’t rude. I am forgetful at 62.
Ala is an interesting character..i have not ruled him out either..you like ala thats fine..so far nobody has even had a base hit in regards to identifying z…i dont think ala is z.but the bastard is interesting…i dont think i have ever read a valid connection between df and z…it would almost have to be drugs or sex link for me to even consider it…ala at the painting party is another theory that i doubt will ever be proven…yea your good with ala and me..i dont knock anybody for holding up a suspect…im more inclined to buy into ala and cjb than i am a df connection but have at it
Right after the Berryessa attacks the police received a telephone call about ‘bloody knives" in ALA car. We all know the story. I believe it was Officer Lynch who was the one who went to checkout the lead but he thought ALA was too bald to be the man who was wearing the mask at Berryessa. Perhaps ‘suspect’ is the wrong word to use, but ALA showed up on LE radar as far back as 1969. Don Cheney’s statement was made in 1971. Michael Magneau made his identification in 1991 or 1992. The Vallejo police were in the process of arresting ALA in 1992 when he died suddenly.
I hope this clarifies what I was getting at. So, yes, I think ALA is still worthy of consideration as a POI in the Zodiac case.
I could believe he is a possible suspect IF you can prove he slimmed down a lot during the Z murders and especially at the time of the PH attack. But as far as I know this is not the case. He was too large.
I don’t believe ALA was the murderer of Paul Stine. He was ruled out by the witnesses. The police office stated that ALA was balder and heavier than the man he saw that night. I lean towards Dick Gyke or Larry Kane in that attack. Bryan Hartnell didn’t believe ALA was his attacker at Berryessa and he was a reliable witness. I lean towards ALA in the first two car attacks. No, I’m 100% sold on ALA being the Zodiac but I don’t think he can be completely disregarded because of the DNA. It is a complicated case and no one suspect fits into all of the puzzle. I think that the D.A and the police of Vallejo had the best case to take to court with what they had on ALA. iT WAS ONLY 40-50 they would have had him convicted.
I don’t believe ALA was the murderer of Paul Stine. He was ruled out by the witnesses. The police office stated that ALA was balder and heavier than the man he saw that night. I lean towards Dick Gyke or Larry Kane in that attack. Bryan Hartnell didn’t believe ALA was his attacker at Berryessa and he was a reliable witness. I lean towards ALA in the first two car attacks. No, I’m 100% sold on ALA being the Zodiac but I don’t think he can be completely disregarded because of the DNA. It is a complicated case and no one suspect fits into all of the puzzle. I think that the D.A and the police of Vallejo had the best case to take to court with what they had on ALA. iT WAS ONLY 40-50 they would have had him convicted.
OK, so who was the letter writer, in your opinion? You’re saying ALA started it out, then the other guy took the ball and ran with it? Or are you proposing that it was some kind of demented partnership?
You got me stumped there, End of the World. My proposal isn’t really very serious or thought-out. It is idle speculation.
I think that ALA committed the murders in Santa Barbara (1963), Riverside (1966), Vallejo (1968) and Napa (1969) and then it’s very murky.
I think Larry Kane abducted Kathleen John and murdered Donna Lass. I don’t believe he was working with ALA or anybody else. I think he was active as the same time as the Zodiac and his crimes were lumped in there with the Zodiac’s.
I think Dick Gyke was the murderer of Paul Stine and that he was connected with ALA; at least at the start. I think Rick Marshall may have been the letters and he was with Dick and ALA. I think ALA dropped out once he was questioned in 1969 shortly after Berryessa. Dick dropped out after Stine. Rick Marshall kept up the letter writing long after the other two ‘retired.’
Do I believe my theory 100% No, not at all; it’s more of a parlor game at this point.
Get a grip on yourself, Mr. Bugs. This is serious business we’re involved in here. Parlor game? Not hardly. We’re doing the Lord’s work, or maybe the work that the cops were too lazy and/or incompetent to accomplish. It’s not too late for you to see the light, Mr. Bugs, and go "all in", joining the brethren in an honest-to-god balls-to-the-wall effort.
You got me stumped there, End of the World. My proposal isn’t really very serious or thought-out. It is idle speculation.
I think that ALA committed the murders in Santa Barbara (1963), Riverside (1966), Vallejo (1968) and Napa (1969) and then it’s very murky.
I think Larry Kane abducted Kathleen John and murdered Donna Lass. I don’t believe he was working with ALA or anybody else. I think he was active as the same time as the Zodiac and his crimes were lumped in there with the Zodiac’s.
I think Dick Gyke was the murderer of Paul Stine and that he was connected with ALA; at least at the start. I think Rick Marshall may have been the letters and he was with Dick and ALA. I think ALA dropped out once he was questioned in 1969 shortly after Berryessa. Dick dropped out after Stine. Rick Marshall kept up the letter writing long after the other two ‘retired.’
Do I believe my theory 100% No, not at all; it’s more of a parlor game at this point.
That pretty much sums up the z…about the only duality i have ever considered was there were 2 perps present with cjb that nite one of which was a female…holding a conspiracy with that many perps bugs would have been the ultimate masterful act in my estimation..but hey its z and we have all failed up to this point so yea why not…i thouroughly enjoyed reading you post
Snooter: Could you expand on your theory that Zodiac might have had a female accomplice? I’ve had a niggling feeling that such might have been the case.
Snooter: Could you expand on your theory that Zodiac might have had a female accomplice? I’ve had a niggling feeling that such might have been the case.
I think she was lured into the alley by a female..that might explain the smallish timex band…i would like to know if ross had a female significant other..personally i cant see cjb walking into an alley with ross or any of the other perps…but may be ross was there or one of the others…i can see why RPD went right to her bff boy friend…she would in all likely propability walked with him though or a guy she new..cjb would have known the creeps around the campus…no way she would have left with a male she thought was a jerk..but send a female to her rescue and it kinda fits for me…way off topic here but you get the idea..i dont like multiple z theory…i can understand why some want to exclude berryessa but there is seemingless possibly misguided connections made to even the known z crimes at this point..all we have is letters and some of those are even disputed as legit confessions
