But was it not a male watch and watch band?

But was it not a male watch and watch band?

Yep..it appears to me as a male watch band as well….still i like my theory she was lured into the alley and being trendy kalifornia and all why not female style watch band as well…i guess you can say z was a smallish skinny dude so all the fat guy poi’s are out and that watch is just more z coincidence as the homicide was just in the general area of a dude who lost his watch on campus…

Dang double post on my pary

I hope this clarifies what I was getting at. So, yes, I think ALA is still worthy of consideration as a POI in the Zodiac case.

Thanks for obliging. I won’t nitpick over semantics and leave it at that.

One thing you pointed out that I’ve always found interesting is the idea that police were getting ready to arrest Allen. I have doubts about whether that would’ve actually happened, but instead for now I’ll take it on the assumption that they were. I do believe that they intended to as they said. The question is why? The searches of Allen’s SF house didn’t really turn up anything that I should think would change their minds. It would seem that the explosive materials they found could be the only thing. I guess it was a catch 22 situation. They now had a reason to arrest Allen on a felony and that gave them the opportunity to charge him for the Zodiac too.

I don’t think Allen was Zodiac, but I would be really curious to see how a trial against him played out. I once posted a notice from a law school that held a mock trial against Allen for Zodiac and they found him not guilty. I don’t have that link anymore, and in any event they didn’t include the transcript, but I wanted to mentioned that.

I think ALA defense team would have gotten him off the hook because of the lack of fingerprints and the fact that his handwriting didn’t match that of the Zodiac. The strongest thing the D.A had going for its case was Michael M’s identification of ALA picture. Much would have been made of how 24 long years had passed and how Michael only saw the Zodiac in profile and with poor lighting to boot. I still would have followed through on the case because of Michael’s statement. If ALA was a part of a team I imagine he would have started ratting them out if he thought he was going to take the fall. Yes, I have heard of that mock court case of ALA by a college. It would be cool to watch a video of it to see what the arguments to and for that were presented.

I think ALA defense team would have gotten him off the hook because of the lack of fingerprints and the fact that his handwriting didn’t match that of the Zodiac. The strongest thing the D.A had going for its case was Michael M’s identification of ALA picture. Much would have been made of how 24 long years had passed and how Michael only saw the Zodiac in profile and with poor lighting to boot. I still would have followed through on the case because of Michael’s statement. If ALA was a part of a team I imagine he would have started ratting them out if he thought he was going to take the fall. Yes, I have heard of that mock court case of ALA by a college. It would be cool to watch a video of it to see what the arguments to and for that were presented.

Where’s the evidence they were going to bring him to trial? In my mind, the possibility exists that this idea is a red herring thrown out to obfuscate the fact that at the highest levels of LE, the Z case was solved internally, and they couldn’t or wouldn’t prosecute for some reason.

The D.A’s case would have depended heavily upon the testimonies of Michael and Don. The rest of their case would have been based upon circumstantial evidence (the watch, ring, weapons, typewriter, bomb, location). ALA’s own words would have been used against him. Would this have been enough to convict ALA as the murderer of ALA? That is open to speculation. As it stands ALA is the only POI where there was a possibility of there being a court case. This can’t be said about Gyke, Kane, Marshall, Mr. X, Sam or any of the others. That this case was solved internally is interesting but its speculation and unless there’s any hard evidence to support that situation.

The D.A’s case would have depended heavily upon the testimonies of Michael and Don. The rest of their case would have been based upon circumstantial evidence (the watch, ring, weapons, typewriter, bomb, location). ALA’s own words would have been used against him. Would this have been enough to convict ALA as the murderer of ALA? That is open to speculation. As it stands ALA is the only POI where there was a possibility of there being a court case. This can’t be said about Gyke, Kane, Marshall, Mr. X, Sam or any of the others. That this case was solved internally is interesting but its speculation and unless there’s any hard evidence to support that situation.

It’s also speculation that they were ready to go to trial against ALA. What’s the source? Is there any evidence?

We only have George Bart statement that the police were in the process of getting the DA’s approval for the case when ALA died. Maybe he was just speculating. After all, the Zodiac case has become a game of pure speculation because there’s little evidence to point to one POI.

We only have George Bart statement that the police were in the process of getting the DA’s approval for the case when ALA died. Maybe he was just speculating. After all, the Zodiac case has become a game of pure speculation because there’s little evidence to point to one POI.

Who the hell is George Bart?

BTW, if you want to find out who the Z was, check out the Ted K section of this board. You just might get convinced.

George Bawart – V.P.D.

His report: http://www.zodiackiller.com/Bawart1.html

Unless I’m missing it, it doesn’t say in that report that the police were going to arrest Allen. I have no doubt that Bawart is the one who said it, it just makes a difference when and whom he said it to.

That report is nuts. You have Bawart stating it as a fact that Zodiac’s identity was based on the Zodiac brand watch. Like, "The only signature on the letter was the symbol for the Zodiac brand watch company."

and he lists as the dates things that Cheney said happened, IE., "In 1969 Allen said…" as actually having happened on those dates, and mentions nowhere when he actually said that they happened, which is of course not on those dates and many years, in some cases decades, later.

The best part is when Phil Tucker "remembers" all this crazy stuff Allen did, and he asks him "why didn’t you say anything about that before?" and he responds, "You didn’t ask me about his murder fantasies. I just responded to the questions I was asked."

I was just throwing that out there to show who Bawart was. I totally agree with you duckking.

Although, it has been mentioned in various places that VPD was about to issue an arrest warrant. Doesn’t make it factual, but it has been stated by Bawart.

Tahoe and group…..

I hadn’t read about ALA in quite a while, so I went back to remind myself why he was even a suspect, and re-read all the reports. They had good reason to suspect ALA, they just lacked the evidence that they would have needed. Had lots of circumstantial stuff, and they may have been able to go to trial with it and win, but no gun, prints, etc. sure would make it tough. One area when I came upon it again has always bugged me, and that was the cracking of the code, and the name they came up with Robert Emmet the Hippie. this has always bothered me cause the letters in the code EBEORIETEMETHHPITI, does not work with the name they came up with. You have ROBE_T EM_ET The HIP_IE + one extra i, and missing an R, M & a P. Ironically, as this case always is, ALA did attend school and was on the diving team with a Robert Emmet Rodifer, and I guess ALA didn’t like him at all.. And this Robert Emmet Rodiver went to UC Berkeley, and then became a hippie. So if the code really worked for that name that would be very damning. what would be the odds? But the name itself doesn’t work for the letters given. Another thing I read maybe someone could shed some light on. when they went to ALA’s basement they found a typewriter, and it matched the typeset, and the kind of typewriter that was used in typing the Bates letters, yet it said that a comparison has never been done…I found that very odd. anyone have any other info on that one. I would hope someone would have made that simple comparison test.

Bat

Wasn’t "The Confession" typed through multiple pages of carbon paper so that they couldn’t identity the typewriter?

According to Graysmith he used a Royal Elite, which seems to pretty much be the world’s most popular typewriter. That’s like saying he wrote it using a Macbook. As far as I know they didn’t get CSI to zoom and enhance the special marks on the F key that only appear on ALA’s typewriter.