I lived in Napa and worked in Vallejo for a few yrs in the late 1960’s and didn’t ever go past Blue Rock Springs or Lake Herman rd. I was told by someone who knew Betty Lou and David, who told me that road was not well traveled and mostly used by teen lovers or someone working at Humble Oil or Syar.

I am a believer that Zodiac either worked or lived in Vallejo. I also believe Darlene’s family in saying her killer knew her and stalked her, that would be less likely if he was living and working far from there.

Most all of the materials to build the bus bomb were at Syar, my guess is that he worked at Syar and drove past the turn out to and from his shift there.The time of the shooting was the time of a shift change. Many people in "construction" worked there, concrete workers would work only certain months. Zodiac told Kathleen Johns that he worked only a few months out of the year.

The fact is, anyone who lived in nearby communities like Martinez, Benicia, Crockett, Napa, Vacaville, Fairfield, etc would have likely known Vallejo well enough to shoot two people and make one phone call; that was the extent of what Zodiac did in Vallejo.

The Zodiac was heading back to Vallejo after LB. Stopped in Napa in the way.

The fact is, anyone who lived in nearby communities like Martinez, Benicia, Crockett, Napa, Vacaville, Fairfield, etc would have likely known Vallejo well enough to shoot two people and make one phone call; that was the extent of what Zodiac did in Vallejo.

The Zodiac was heading back to Vallejo after LB. Stopped in Napa in the way.

Everyone has their own opinion about what did or did not happen in the zodiac case and that is ok, that is what we do.

I spoke to the people who did live and work there, I believe that they would have better insight than you your I. For me that is the best way to get first hand information.
That road was a out of the way road, not one you would stumble on by accident. ( People who have suspects that didn’t live or work in that area, would never believe that.)

To know that it was where young teens went late at night, you would have to know the area or work in that area, is what I and the people of Vallejo believe.
I worked and played in Vallejo and I never went on that road or to Blue Rock Springs park.

Unless it was one of the places that VPD officer Buzz Gordon took me to , to lay in wait for Zodiac to approach? We did that on a few occasions to try and lure the killer, so Buzz could shoot him and end the fear of Vallejo’s boogieman.

If Zodiac was heading back to Vallejo as you say, he would have passed other phone booths along the way, with out turning off of the main road towards Vallejo. That phone booth was not seen from the street, coming from the direction he was traveling. There were phone booths at gas stations he would have passed on the way to Vallejo, if that was where he was headed?
Zodiac either went to that car wash before and knew about that phone booth, or was lucky to just park his car and walk into the car wash area to make the call.

Reading about what Zodiac did, is not the same thing as walking his walk. We Z sleuths have walked his walk, to get a better idea of each crime scene.

agree the killer lived and or worked in Vallejo. what other suspect than Allen has such a close tie to Vallejo??

agree the killer lived and or worked in Vallejo. what other suspect than Allen has such a close tie to Vallejo??

My suspect, who is still alive, so I can not give out his name at this time.I refer to him as Honcho or RH. He has been ID’d by Darlene’s family, as the man who she was so afraid of, who stalked her.

agree the killer lived and or worked in Vallejo. what other suspect than Allen has such a close tie to Vallejo??

My suspect, who is still alive, so I can not give out his name at this time.I refer to him as Honcho or RH. He has been ID’d by Darlene’s family, as the man who she was so afraid of, who stalked her.

wow. OK. good luck!

agree the killer lived and or worked in Vallejo. what other suspect than Allen has such a close tie to Vallejo??

Gaikowski.

Crabtree

Crabtree

How?

Crabtree

How?

He lived in Vallejo for a time with Darlene and was a suspect in her murder. He was "cleared" of course.

I don’t think it was ever confirmed that Crabtree lived in Vallejo at any point.

I believe Mrs Sunnen said (BRS police report interview) that Jim and Darlene lived with them for a few weeks in October of 66 after their return from the Virgin Islands. After a while she became annoyed that Jim hadn’t secured employment. I think Jim downplayed the length of time he was there when he discussed his time in Vallejo in the online forum he participated in 2010.

agree the killer lived and or worked in Vallejo. what other suspect than Allen has such a close tie to Vallejo??

Gaikowski.

how?

For Tom or anyone interested I have summarized some info on Crabtree from the police reports. I am not trying to show that this man is Zodiac, merely that he was living in Vallejo and was a suspect in his ex-wife’s murder.

I have verified that the Blue Rock Springs report indicates that Jim Phillips (aka Jim Crabtree) lived in Vallejo at 130 Jordan Street with Darlene and the Suennens for 3 weeks in October 1966 after the couple’s return from their trip involving a stay in the Virgin Islands. This is when Mrs. Suennen first met Jim. This is the page of the where the discussion about Crabtree begins. http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR56.html A few pages later Mrs Suennen discusses living with Jim and eventually asking him to get a job or move out. http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR59.html The next page describes their separation, Darlene’s new marriage, and the claim by two family members that Jim was seen attending Darlene’s funeral with a pregnant lady. http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR60.html Jim denied knowledge of Darlene’s death but it should be noted that Jim’s new wife at the time of the funeral was three months pregnant.

The proceeding pages describe confusion surrounding a second Jim Phillips (photo on Tom’s evidence room page https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiack … t7791.html) and their efforts to track down the real Jim at a commune near Santa Cruz. Once they picked Jim up they determined that his handwriting was not a match to their Zodiac exemplars and according to Jim he sold his brown 63 Corvair before his trip to Mexico and move to San Francisco, which was well before Darlene’s murder. http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR66.html The page after that Jim describes going to a concert and provides an alibi for July 4th evening at home with his new wife because their old truck was inoperable. http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR67.html

In a February 2010 zodiaczee.com forum discussion (that Jim participated in and then insisted was taken off the web) Jim describes going to a concert in Boulder Creek in his distinctive old truck. "I was taken off the suspect list almost immediately.. next day after my arrest… Thank goodness I’m a friendly guy… I had been on a walk in Boulder Creek… July 4th, ya know… and I passed a family I didn’t know having a barbeque in their back yard… we talked, exchanged pleasantries and they remembered when the cops talked to them… six eyewitnesses… even saw me drivin’ my 1929 Model A flat deck truck… common car, right?" I suppose he must have meant that his truck became inoperable after the concert but this (alibi-hinging?) specification is not in the BRS report.

Again I am not suggesting that there is evidence that Crabtree is Zodiac, just that he was an interesting Vallejo-connected suspect.

agree the killer lived and or worked in Vallejo. what other suspect than Allen has such a close tie to Vallejo??

Gaikowski.

how?

Weekly editorial meetings at the Vallejo Times Herald during the entire time he worked at the nearby Martinez newspaper. Plus covering stories around the general area, including the jail break at Lake Berryessa.