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Incase anybody missed the article on RichardG’s site

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/more-writing-on-the-karmann-ghia

It appears there was addition information on the door.

Last image curtesy of Richard

 
Posted : June 11, 2021 9:07 pm
 Soze
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I missed it. Will have to follow the link you provided. Thanks.

in terms of the "al" there are a limited amount of words the Zodiac used in his writing that ended with al. Anamal, material, judicial, additional and pestulentual. While I like anamal, material and additional I would place my bet on anamal or material being the word.

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Posted : June 12, 2021 12:35 am
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I missed it. Will have to follow the link you provided. Thanks.

in terms of the "al" there are a limited amount of words the Zodiac used in his writing that ended with al. Anamal, material, judicial, additional and pestulentual. While I like anamal, material and additional I would place my bet on anamal or material being the word.

Soze

This is the problem, it could be :-

ME, ML, MC, M<

Or it could be A?

Why would it be withheld though, it must have had some significance.

 
Posted : June 12, 2021 1:05 am
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My first look, obviously, saw an A. Looking now I guess I see an M. But what would you get with an M and an L. Sorry but I don’t see an E.

 
Posted : June 12, 2021 1:27 am
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Zodiac likes for people to know he committed the crimes and likes to appear superior (he knows he is weak). You would think he covered the crimes with the dates. So I would guess the hidden would be about him. Did it ever become a certainty that all items at the scene were Hartnell and Shepherds?

 
Posted : June 12, 2021 1:35 am
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The writing is partially transferred from the cover sheet onto the car door because they used a marker that seeped through.

There are some photos around with the sheet attached and it lines up with the markings. Captain holding up the door is has the line up.

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Posted : June 12, 2021 9:42 pm
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The writing is partially transferred from the cover sheet onto the car door because they used a marker that seeped through.

There are some photos around with the sheet attached and it lines up with the markings. Captain holding up the door is has the line up.

You state this as though it is a fact, source? This would have to mean that they put the paper on the car and then wrote, then they realise it was in the wrong place and moved the paper ? And then “forgot” to remove the “transfer” ?

So the police were that incompetent that they wrote on the one piece of major evidence that ad from the scene ? Then released a photo that highlighted their incompetence

Very interested to see the image you are referring to and especially the part of the note which transferred would create these letters.

 
Posted : June 12, 2021 11:20 pm
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This is the photo you probably want to see to get a context of what I mean.

Looks like a piece of brown wrapping paper. Paper bagging isn’t a bad idea to store evidence at all because it retains prints quite well because it is well aerated and moisture tends to build up less which can wreck fingerprints. The thing is not to write on it with a felt tip marker.

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Posted : June 12, 2021 11:39 pm
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This is the photo you probably want to see to get a context of what I mean.

Looks like a piece of brown wrapping paper. Paper bagging isn’t a bad idea to store evidence at all because it retains prints quite well because it is well aerated and moisture tends to build up less which can wreck fingerprints. The thing is not to write on it with a felt tip marker.

You do realise that you completely negated your own argument don’t you ??

 
Posted : June 12, 2021 11:53 pm
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You do realise that you completely negated your own argument don’t you ??

If you look around the outside of the brown paper they have used the same pen to create lines onto the car door so they can line it back up again after they pull it down.

The arrow in the lower image points to the writing which lines up with the marker stain letter in the upper image.

Furthermore there is a video of an older zodiac documentary showing the car door without any of those stains on it.

https://youtu.be/ugm8ZRuJ1T4?t=51 Time-code is there.

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Posted : June 13, 2021 12:28 am
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You do realise that you completely negated your own argument don’t you ??

If you look around the outside of the brown paper they have used the same pen to create lines onto the car door so they can line it back up again after they pull it down.

The arrow in the lower image points to the writing which lines up with the marker stain letter in the upper image.

Furthermore there is a video of an older zodiac documentary showing the car door without any of those stains on it.

https://youtu.be/ugm8ZRuJ1T4?t=51 Time-code is there.

“ If you look around the outside of the brown paper they have used the same pen to create lines onto the car door so they can line it back up again after they pull it down.”

No, they have made marks on the paper not the car door. The marks on the PAPER allow them to match it to the car door.

“ The arrow in the lower image points to the writing which lines up with the marker stain letter in the upper image.“

As above, there would be no need to write on the door (Why would they intentional compromise evidence by writing on it). Also you said it was ink transfer, but this part of the door was not covered in paper so that would be impossible.

“ Furthermore there is a video of an older zodiac documentary showing the car door without any of those stains on it.”

Yes there are but we have an official evidence photo with it there and LE decided to obscure that exact part of the door with a additional piece of paper, there would be no need to do this is nothing was there.

 
Posted : June 13, 2021 1:21 am
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I matched up some of the markings stains which are on the car door and window and the paper. You can even see the paper is allowing the marker to bleed when the lines go on it.

The problem is this crime had very poor forensic handling from the start. All of the evidence from LB was bundled up and put into the back of a squad vehicle before detectives arrived. It is the late 60s.

Like the video I posted you can also see the markings are not on the car door.

You can also see this here.

So you have the absence of any additional words there. The conclusion is either those markings have been added post-recovery of forensic evidence or airbrushing photos.

The video evidence is what undermines the airbrushing hypothesis.

So we are left with very little room here to imply something is there and is held back.

IMO, the door handlers have marked the door with a marker in an effort to preserve the evidence and then they have removed the marks they made at a later date. That explains all the evidence here.

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Posted : June 13, 2021 11:43 am
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I made a screenshot from the Blu-ray of the 2007 documentary that’s a lot clearer

Interestingly, when Hartnell sees the car door, he bends down, pulls up the plastic/paper on the bottom right corner (the general location of the "ML") and peers beneath it…

 
Posted : June 13, 2021 12:33 pm
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Yep, the very first time since 1969 he see the door he goes to this part of the door, let’s not forget that there are countless images or the door on the internet, he knew the layout of the writing so why gently peel the covering up from this corner (causing the police to get very agitated “don’t touch”) when there is nothing there. ?

 
Posted : June 13, 2021 1:12 pm
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Interestingly, when Hartnell sees the car door, he bends down, pulls up the plastic/paper on the bottom right corner (the general location of the "ML") and peers beneath it…

This was what I also noticed when researching held back LB stuff. They tell him to not touch it. So that caused the research into this strange writing for about a month on Reddit. It turned up all those photos and videos. So I concluded this is not what is being held back. That is my position today until I see more evidence to the contrary. I think it was just a rabbit hole based on some evidence contamination but to be honest they had already done the fingerprint dusting. You can see the gravitational dripping around the car door handle for example. They were not thinking about DNA so once prints were recovered that was it for them. Hence why they don’t even have gloves on handling it in the various media where they touch it.

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Posted : June 13, 2021 1:28 pm
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