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Quicktrader
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Think I have found something:

Shepard and Hartnell are confirmed Z victims and is there an authentic writing on their Carman Ghia referring to the dates of the Ferrin/Mageau and Jensen/Faraday homicides. Hartnell had mentioned in his police report that Z claimed to having killed a prison guard in a ‘Deer Lodge’ or ‘Feathers Lodge’ prison in Montana. This however, until today, could not be confirmed.

However today I found an article about a prison guard who was stabbed in Deer Lodge County, Montana. The incident happened in the small town of Anaconda, a town with less than 10,000 inhabitants, and was the name of the prison guard ‘Alvin Schmitt’. He had died of a knife attack only five months earlier than the attack on Shepard and Hartnell. The prison’s name was or still is the Anaconda County Jail and had the incident been mentioned in an article of the 17-4-1969 Montana Standard edition.

It therefore is of highest interest, imo, who had killed the 44 year old prison guard Alvin Schmitt and therefore had gained his ‘freedom’. The article can be found under

http://newspaperarchive.com/montana-sta … 17/page-6/

Deer Lodge County Sheriff 800 South Main, Anaconda, MT 59711 (406) 563-5241

In fact, Alvin Schmitt died in the line of duty on Friday, April 11, 1969:

Officer Schmitt succumbed to stab wounds sustained two days earlier after being attacked by an inmate with a knife at the Oregon State Penitentiary. The inmate stabbed him ten times in the neck and chest. Officer Schmitt was transported to Salem Memorial Hospital where he succumbed to his wounds. Officer Schmitt served with navy during World War II.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/11864-corre … -m-schmitt (here he is listed imo wrongly as an Oregon correctional officer and is it said that a suspect was taken into custody, unknown for how long)

April 11, 1969: An escaping inmate stabbed Alvin M. Schmitt 10 times in the
chest and arms. Schmitt died two days later. The fugitive was captured a day
after his flight and charged with
murder.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t … 0954184330
(unknown if he was ever convicted)

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Posted : November 28, 2013 6:24 pm
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Seeing as this guy was recaptured and charged with murder, there’s no way he could have been Zodiac.

 
Posted : November 28, 2013 6:57 pm
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Seeing as this guy was recaptured and charged with murder, there’s no way he could have been Zodiac.

The question is

a) did they capture the right guy
b) if he was conicted
c) if he could escape again

Eventually he was not the only one who could flee? Possibly there was a transport to an Oregon prison?

Got troubles downloading it..could anybody please :geek: post the complete article? Thx

QT

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Posted : November 28, 2013 6:59 pm
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The prisoner that killed the guard was Thomas E. Grenfell

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

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Posted : November 28, 2013 7:22 pm
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The prisoner that killed the guard was Thomas E. Grenfell

..that was captured for killing the guard..

Thanks for that profound info.

Without having any doubts, I nevertheless still would like to know more about what really had happened that day..maybe Grenfell just used to be a cellmate of Z?

‘The inmates have been locked up since the search got underway Tuesday morning after several incidents of violence and one stabbing death at the prison in recent weeks. Killed in the most serious incident was Alvin Schmitt, a former resident of Butte and Anaconda, Montana. He died Friday several days after he was stabbed with a makeshift knife. Thomas E. Grenfell, a prisoner, was charged with first degree murder in connection with the stabbing. About 500 cells were searched on Tuesday when the shakedown began.’
(this one appears to be the Oregon incident, however)

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Posted : November 28, 2013 7:25 pm
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Stabbing kills former resident
SALEM Ore AP April 17, 1969

‘The inmates of the Oregon State Penitentiary were locked in their cells for a second straight day Wednesday while guards made search for weapons. The shakedown follows the fatal stabbing of prison guard Alvin Schmitt of Anaconda last week. Schmitt died Friday several days after he was stabbed with a makeshift knife. A prisoner, Thomas E Greenfell, has been charged with first degree murder in Schmitts death. There also have been several incidents of violence at the prison in recent weeks Warden (…) said two inmates have been stabbed by other inmates in the past few weeks and one prison guard was slugged by a prisoner. About 500 cells were searched Tuesday when the detailed shakedown began. The first days scared up one knife…John Galvin slate corrections director said the search will be extended..areas of the prison Thursday and should be completed by Sunday. More than..million damage was done in a riot at the Oregon prison 13 months ago. Schmitt was born Oct 22… He was graduated from Butte High School in 1942. He … Navy in World War II and came to Anaconda to make his home..after the war. He was a member of Anaconda Memorial Post .. Veterans of Foreign Wars. He was the son of the late Ted P of Anaconda Surviving are his wife Betty .. son Danny Salem stepsisters Lucy McNeils and Sadie Huber. Anaconda Essie Friend Richmond Calif and burial services were Tuesday at St Matthew Church in Salem.’

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Posted : November 29, 2013 1:37 am
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Sorry for the late post QT. It was a busy day. The guard was living in and killed in Oregon and he had formerly lived in Anaconda MT. Not a Montana prison incident.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : November 29, 2013 6:29 am
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Thanks Seagull…ok, so it appears as if really NOTHING happens in Anaconda, Mt. Well. Except that Alvin Schmitt had left for Oregon. So I am back with my Feather’s Lodge in California..

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Posted : November 29, 2013 3:20 pm
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