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From the press release

”…subsequent interviews were conducted. The individual linked to the DNA evidence on the stamp admitted to writing the letter and sending it to Riverside Police Department. The author was a young teenager at the time and had a troubled youth. He said he wrote the letter seeking attention and was remorseful for his actions.

Investigators confirmed, the person was not involved in the murder of Cheri Jo Bates or involved in the murders associated with the “Zodiac Killer.””

My reading (and I agree with everyone else the press release is badly worded) is that Riverside “investigators confirmed” the assertion made by the author who they had traced from the 2016 letter’s DNA through the “subsequent interviews” and if they are confirming his story it suggests they have got corroboration from this interview, such as some info he could provide that was held back that only the original writer would know

The interpretation that they are just taking the claim at face value discounts their assertion that they “confirmed” the confession.

 

 

 

 
Posted : August 4, 2021 8:14 pm
Richard Grinell
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Why would somebody in their 60s write a letter to police admitting they wrote the Bates letters and send it anonymously, while simultaneously licking/touching the stamp and leaving your DNA to be possibly traced. This individual would have to be the stupidest person alive. 

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Posted : August 4, 2021 10:43 pm
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Someone else finally reported about it.

https://patch.com/california/banning-beaumont/50k-reward-offered-1966-cold-case-killing-rcc

 
Posted : August 4, 2021 11:50 pm
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Posted by: @richard-grinell

This individual would have to be the stupidest person alive. 

You say that like it’s a ridiculous notion.  

 

Also, For my part, only slightly joking, the lack of diligence given to the information economy of this Press Release ought to utterly destroy the Hoax theory.  If a police department that is actively cooperating with the FBI can’t even keep their story straight in a single press release, I’m not sure I can accept the idea that an multi-disciplinary, inter-departmental conspiracy involving a letter writing campaign coordinated with forensic evidence from multiple crime scenes was fabricated in order to create the illusion of a serial killer in California.  Coherent narratives do not appear to be their specialty.

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Posted : August 5, 2021 12:12 am
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Well, he obviously doesn’t hang around these boards, and obviously hasn’t paid much attention to the Zodiac case. Allen being “cleared” by stamp DNA was huge news.

 

 
Posted : August 5, 2021 1:14 am
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I deleted posts that were personal attacks and that have no relevance to this aspect of this case.

Keep it informative and productive, not insulting and childish. 

ENOUGH

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– Geoffrey Chaucer

 
Posted : August 5, 2021 1:25 am
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What Zodiac letters were sent directly to law enforcement not an intermediate?

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Posted : August 5, 2021 2:11 am
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From the Riverside Press-Enterprise a couple of hours ago:

https://www.pe.com/2021/08/04/reward-offered-for-conviction-in-decades-old-riverside-homicide/

 
Posted : August 5, 2021 2:22 am
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Posted by: @richard-grinell

Why would somebody in their 60s write a letter to police admitting they wrote the Bates letters and send it anonymously, while simultaneously licking/touching the stamp and leaving your DNA to be possibly traced. This individual would have to be the stupidest person alive. 

I agree. I don’t want to be the crank accusing the police of doing a bad job. I want to believe the experts. But it’s not a terribly likely sounding narrative. I mean there is nothing preventing this from happening. But they imply that he also wrote later fake Zodiac letters, so he was hardened and committed, not just some one-off teen prankster. If he continued this pattern of behavior, and composed later fake Zodiac letters, that narrative doesn’t jibe well with late-life remorse.

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Posted : August 5, 2021 2:41 am
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Posted by: @replaceablehead
Posted by: @richard-grinell

Why would somebody in their 60s write a letter to police admitting they wrote the Bates letters and send it anonymously, while simultaneously licking/touching the stamp and leaving your DNA to be possibly traced. This individual would have to be the stupidest person alive. 

I agree. I don’t want to be the crank accusing the police of doing a bad job. I want to believe the experts. But it’s not a terribly likely sounding narrative. I mean there is nothing preventing this from happening. But they imply that he also wrote later fake Zodiac letters, so he was hardened and committed, not just some one-off teen prankster. If he continued this pattern of behavior, and composed later fake Zodiac letters, that narrative doesn’t jibe well with late-life remorse.

If they were 16 in 66, they could have done this until they were 23 or 24, which would take it to 73/74.  I mean, EARONS stopped for years at one point and then restarted and then stopped completely, so it is possible for people to change their ways.  Maybe whoever did this had some sort of life changing experience, met a partner, came to terms with their sexuality or gender identity, joined the military, moved abroad, some kind of change that altered them dramatically.

And EARONS crimes are way worse than writing vile letters by a long, long way.

 
Posted : August 5, 2021 2:50 am
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Posted by: @marienbad
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Posted by: @richard-grinell

Why would somebody in their 60s write a letter to police admitting they wrote the Bates letters and send it anonymously, while simultaneously licking/touching the stamp and leaving your DNA to be possibly traced. This individual would have to be the stupidest person alive. 

I agree. I don’t want to be the crank accusing the police of doing a bad job. I want to believe the experts. But it’s not a terribly likely sounding narrative. I mean there is nothing preventing this from happening. But they imply that he also wrote later fake Zodiac letters, so he was hardened and committed, not just some one-off teen prankster. If he continued this pattern of behavior, and composed later fake Zodiac letters, that narrative doesn’t jibe well with late-life remorse.

If they were 16 in 66, they could have done this until they were 23 or 24, which would take it to 73/74.  I mean, EARONS stopped for years at one point and then restarted and then stopped completely, so it is possible for people to change their ways.  Maybe whoever did this had some sort of life changing experience, met a partner, came to terms with their sexuality or gender identity, joined the military, moved abroad, some kind of change that altered them dramatically.

And EARONS crimes are way worse than writing vile letters by a long, long way.

I’ve seen plenty of claims of remorse (remember Bundy with the porno mags?), but I don’t think it is ever really true.

I think the most likely explanation would be that the motivation behind the 2016 letter was not a desire to come clean, but instead to seek further thrills by writing another letter, this time a confession. Perhaps the writer never thought they would be caught.

 I suppose it must all be true, RPD must have corroborative evidence, but it must surely rank amongst the strangest of hoax cases.

 I don’t buy the perpetrator’s “troubled teenager” story, more like “sicko who finally got caught”. Surely he will be prosecuted, especially if he also wrote fake Zodiac letters to northern Californian agencies as is implied. That’s what I find so strange about RPD repeating his “troubled teenager” defense, it’s like they’ve accepted the explanation. It seems bizarre. Unless I am mistaken in my interpretation of the statement and he was only involved with the one letter.

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Posted : August 5, 2021 4:31 am
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Posted by: @bdholland

What Zodiac letters were sent directly to law enforcement not an intermediate?

None that I can think of. Cranks generally want publicity (or to threaten somebody), cops are just going to file it away.

 

 
Posted : August 5, 2021 5:22 am
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@coffee-time 

Same here. Just the Lynch Concerned Citizen one, but that is a way too early to be keeping the case alive and almost certainly is Zodiac because of inside knowledge and timing.

I think probably a hoax series we know nothing about, the Atlanta letters or 1986/87 letters. I’m just trying to speculate what it can be, because they gave us quite a bit to go on. 

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Posted : August 5, 2021 6:58 am
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I poked around early on but nothing leapt out at me. We don’t know if he ever left the Riverside area.

The latest news story doesn’t mention fake Zodiac letters at all. If this has nothing to do with “Troubled Teen,” then they must be talking about the L.A. Times letter. It’s the only one that’s relevant to the Bates case.

 
Posted : August 5, 2021 8:21 am
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Posted by: @richard-grinell

Why would somebody in their 60s write a letter to police admitting they wrote the Bates letters and send it anonymously, while simultaneously licking/touching the stamp and leaving your DNA to be possibly traced. This individual would have to be the stupidest person alive. 

Touch DNA today is so sensitive it could pull a tiny sloughed off skin cell that is held in place and free from contamination under the stamp. You so much as look at stuff these days and you have left DNA in the proximity, lol. So he could have done all that under what he thought were controlled conditions, but were not.

Joseph James DeAngelo, trained expert in police science, forensically aware, didn’t run away to a Country without extradition despite obviously being aware of the possibility of familial DNA testing, especially after connecting EAR with ONS through DNA in 2001.

Dennis Rader when caught asked if it was DNA that caught him.

They know, they are aware of it, but other factors override that. What are the factors? Probably still thinking they are invincible and won’t get caught. I see no reason why hoaxers don’t fit that same profile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wearside_Jack was a Yorkshire Ripper communication hoaxer caught in 2006. He was an acute alcoholic. He had to serve 8 years in jail for it.

 

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Posted : August 5, 2021 8:23 am
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