I wonder if the person claimed to be the author of the Bates letters had 12 letters in his forename and surname, thereby matching the 12 underscores on the Confession letter.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
The weird thing is that Wikipedia had been reporting, for a while, that the Bates letters were deemed a hoax via DNA, and nobody knew where that info came from.
Wikipedia is unreliable. Any user can alter its content without attribution or credibility.
That was too much!
EDIT 2: Okay, for my own sanity, let me get this straight. 2016, person sends an anonymous letter, I guess to Riverside PD, apologizing for writing the letters back in 1966. That letter had stamps on it. That’s how they got the sample. Then in 2020, they sent that sample to the FBI lab and found the guy, who then confessed to writing the letters back in the day. So that means that they did not use any DNA samples from the original 1966 letters to figure this out. DNA tree-climbing leads to suspect leads to interview leads to follow-up investigation leads to disqualification as the murderer of CJB. Also means that the letters are no longer valid for disqualifying other suspects, so if that was a problem for their investigation before, it isn’t now and, according to them, that applies to ALL the letters in the CJB case.
I want to know the truth about the CJB murder and subsequent communications. This has the tailfeathers of an amateur investigator goose chase at the least, and a publicity stunt at the worst.
I’d be completely happy to be proven wrong and find out the truth here. And I do mean proven.
That was too much!
I’m curious what constitutes a hoax vs. a “genuine” Zodiac communication. Maybe someone who knows the case well could explain it to a newbie?
I’m asking because it all feels a bit arbitrary to me… We don’t know if any of these authors ever attacked anyone physically and, vice versa, we don’t know if the attacker(s) ever wrote a single letter, right?
EDIT 2: Okay, for my own sanity, let me get this straight. 2016, person sends an anonymous letter, I guess to Riverside PD, apologizing for writing the letters back in 1966. That letter had stamps on it. That’s how they got the sample. Then in 2020, they sent that sample to the FBI lab and found the guy, who then confessed to writing the letters back in the day. So that means that they did not use any DNA samples from the original 1966 letters to figure this out. DNA tree-climbing leads to suspect leads to interview leads to follow-up investigation leads to disqualification as the murderer of CJB. Also means that the letters are no longer valid for disqualifying other suspects, so if that was a problem for their investigation before, it isn’t now and, according to them, that applies to ALL the letters in the CJB case.
I want to know the truth about the CJB murder and subsequent communications. This has the tailfeathers of an amateur investigator goose chase at the least, and a publicity stunt at the worst.
I’d be completely happy to be proven wrong and find out the truth here. And I do mean proven.
Considering the flak RPD have taken over their handling of the case, I doubt they released this without checking everything thoroughly. It was mailed in 2016, so it has been 5 years of work to get here. You can imagine the grief they would get if they messed this up, which is why I think what they are saying is accurate.
Does this make all Sherwood Morrill’s handwriting analysis suspect?
Does this make all Sherwood Morrill’s handwriting analysis suspect?
It should. I have always been critical of Morrill and his handling of the handwriting. It should be noted that several of the communications that Morrill deemed legit were later found by other experts to be forgeries including the Desktop Poem and the 1978 letter.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
At this point, what evidence connects the CJB murder with Zodiac?
The handwritten notes that many said matched Zodiac are out. The supposed letter “Z” at the bottom of those letters is out. The communication to newspapers is out. The Desktop Poem (which was found by Shimoda to not be Zodiac’s handwriting) is out.
The only connection you have is “twich and squirm” and the 10.5 shoe prints. That’s extremely tenuous at best.
I know there will be those that cling to CJB as a Zodiac crime, but I was dubious before, and now I am convinced it has nothing to do with Zodiac at all.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
The information presented is that in 2016, anonymous person wrote a letter claiming to be the hoaxer of the CJB letters, and in 2020 investigators know who wrote the letter making that claim. Allegedly confessing to the confession letters after decades of silence. That is the only claim being made. There is no evidence to suppose the 2016 letter writer was involved in any crimes at all. If they matched this 2016 letter writer to Zodiac DNA they sure did not say so. And One would think matching Zodiac DNA to this writer would be top of the list?
If I write you a letter telling you I am Zodiac, and you find my DNA on that letter, congrats but I am not actually the Zodiac Killer. The putative 2016 letter writer has the same level of provenance for the claims made. If you need to believe the claims with no more evidence you will, but I need real evidence. This sorta smells like that whole 1990 keychain photocopy nonsense. Prove this alleged person did indeed write those original communications. It should be no problem for him/her.
An amateur investigator could be the author of this brand letter new “confession” letter, as well as anybody on the planet could have authored it for that matter. Someone with a ken interest in Zodiac could clearly drum up such a letter, especially if it helped buffer a pet Zodiac theory.
The point is, there is no enough evidence here to declare that the 2016 letter writer did write the CJB letters. It was, if true, an anonymous letter from who obviously had an interest in the case but no proven connection to it. Prove me wrong, please. I want truth.
That was too much!
Phone call to police. Chronology. Promise to kill more.
There are plenty other things I listed on page 2.
Where is this serial killer if the murderer of CJB isn’t the Zodiac?
Obviously one has to say he stopped. A crime of passion and then over with or say he did some other non-canonical Zodiac crime.
If he knew her, then why did he have to disconnect her distributor?
It’s a stranger killing. The Good Samaritan ruse. He has to introduce himself this way because he is a stranger.
I am going to stay fast on the ship that sails something like the following.
All that stuff down there is what VR is to EARONS.
Zodiac is the EAR phase.
SRHMs probably the ONS phase.
DownThereZodiacSRHM is this same Good Samaritan killer.
Some teenager sent in three scrawls and now because Riverside did a good job hunting them down because of a 2016 admission letter, we are just supposed to pretend everything else just ups and runs away into the woods for a cigarette break.
Barnett still makes no sense in that crime. None at all.
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The information presented is that in 2016, anonymous person wrote a letter claiming to be the hoaxer of the CJB letters, and in 2020 investigators know who wrote the letter making that claim. Allegedly confessing to the confession letters after decades of silence. That is the only claim being made. There is no evidence to suppose the 2016 letter writer was involved in any crimes at all. If they matched this 2016 letter writer to Zodiac DNA they sure did not say so. And One would think matching Zodiac DNA to this writer would be top of the list?
If I write you a letter telling you I am Zodiac, and you find my DNA on that letter, congrats but I am not actually the Zodiac Killer. The putative 2016 letter writer has the same level of provenance for the claims made. If you need to believe the claims with no more evidence you will, but I need real evidence. This sorta smells like that whole 1990 keychain photocopy nonsense. Prove this alleged person did indeed write those original CBJ communications. It should be no problem for him/her.
An amateur investigator could be the author of this new “confession” letter – anybody on the planet could have authored it for that matter. Someone with a keen interest in Zodiac could clearly drum up such a letter, especially if it helped buffer a pet Zodiac theory.
The point is, there is not enough evidence here to declare that the 2016 letter writer did write the CJB letters. It was, if true, an anonymous letter from a person who obviously has an acute interest in the CBJ murder case, but no proven connection to it. Prove me wrong, please. I want truth.
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That was too much!
Also, “after over five decades of silence” is a classic calling card for false / hoaxed evidence.
That was too much!
Phone call to police. Chronology. Promise to kill more.
There are plenty other things I listed on page 2.
Where is this serial killer if the murderer of CJB isn’t the Zodiac?
Obviously one has to say he stopped. A crime of passion and then over with or say he did some other non-canonical Zodiac crime.
If he knew her, then why did he have to disconnect her distributor?
It’s a stranger killing. The Good Samaritan ruse. He has to introduce himself this way because he is a stranger.
I am going to stay fast on the ship that sails something like the following.
All that stuff down there is what VR is to EARONS.
Zodiac is the EAR phase.
SRHMs probably the ONS phase.
DownThereZodiacSRHM is this same Good Samaritan killer.
Some teenager sent in three scrawls and now because Riverside did a good job hunting them down because of a 2016 admission letter, we are just supposed to pretend everything else just ups and runs away into the woods for a cigarette break.
Barnett still makes no sense in that crime. None at all.
None of those things are evidence of Zodiac.
Many killers call police and confess to their crimes. Many killers threaten more murder. Many people wear watches. Many men wear size 10.5 shoes, myself included.
My point is that there is no one thing that links these two crimes together. If you attempt to link CJB with Zodiac at this point, you could do so with almost ANY unsolved murder in California in the 1960s and 1970s.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
“Additional information was developed regarding a separate set of letters sent to Northern California police agencies. The author claimed to be the “Zodiac Killer”, but the author ultimately admitted to sending the letters to keep the investigation going.”
First, to my knowledge, no Zodiac letters were sent to “police agencies”. All confirmed Zodiac correspondence were sent to newspapers. Are these new, unknown letters that were sent directly to police or is the RPD just being obtuse in their press release?
Second, is the “author” of these fake Zodiac letters the same guy who wrote the Bates Had To Die letters? This isn’t clear in the wording.
Third, how would “additional” information be developed about Zodiac letters from knowing who wrote the CJB letters – unless the author was the same guy? However, based on the wording, it appears that RPD is referring to Dave Toschi. Surely, Toschi didn’t author the CJB letters. So, what’s the “additional information” and how does it tie into Zodiac?
Fourth, “a set” of letters is plural. Toschi has only officially been linked to the 1978 letters. However, he has been rumored to be linked to more. If this is referring to Toschi, it seems to confirm that he wrote multiple fake letters as the Zodiac. The question is “which ones”?
Sooo many questions. In my mind, this deserved a press conference, not a press release.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
If you attempt to link CJB with Zodiac at this point, you could do so with almost ANY unsolved murder in California in the 1960s and 1970s.
Correct, still no hard evidence to link CJB murder to Zodiac. The behavioral similarities and Zodiac’s letter “admission” are the only connections we are aware of. That’s tenuous, but the behavioral similarity is rather unique and makes it worth pursuing as a possibility.
That was too much!
