What are you referring to when you say “behavioral similarity”?
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
Phone call to police. Chronology. Promise to kill more.
There are plenty other things I listed on page 2.
Where is this serial killer if the murderer of CJB isn’t the Zodiac?
Obviously one has to say he stopped. A crime of passion and then over with or say he did some other non-canonical Zodiac crime.
If he knew her, then why did he have to disconnect her distributor?
It’s a stranger killing. The Good Samaritan ruse. He has to introduce himself this way because he is a stranger.
I am going to stay fast on the ship that sails something like the following.
All that stuff down there is what VR is to EARONS.
Zodiac is the EAR phase.
SRHMs probably the ONS phase.
DownThereZodiacSRHM is this same Good Samaritan killer.
Some teenager sent in three scrawls and now because Riverside did a good job hunting them down because of a 2016 admission letter, we are just supposed to pretend everything else just ups and runs away into the woods for a cigarette break.
Barnett still makes no sense in that crime. None at all.
None of those things are evidence of Zodiac.
Many killers call police and confess to their crimes. Many killers threaten more murder. Many people wear watches. Many men wear size 10.5 shoes, myself included.
My point is that there is no one thing that links these two crimes together. If you attempt to link CJB with Zodiac at this point, you could do so with almost ANY unsolved murder in California in the 1960s and 1970s.
They are evidence just not hard evidence. Circumstantial evidence but not strong inference.
Yes there is no one thing that connects them, but when you put them all together they have more power of inference for it being the Zodiac. She still tops the non-canonical list.
Sorry but which taunters who call the police and mail letters for them in the chronology with these crimes both canonical and non-canonical do you mean? Also how many out of those threatened more murder but didn’t commit any more? I am genuinely interested in those.
These types of communicators are extremely rare. Rarer than serial killers are rare.
Is your watch and footwear both military shopped and one overseas? This is also where the Lake Berryessa theme comes in, not to mention the Zodiac watch with the symbol is also a PX watch.
Zodiac seems to have had a heck of guess that this CJB would not be solved over the decades and still isn’t.
Plus Kathleen Johns just making up a Good Samaritan routine is a heck of guess also if she is lying.
Then there is that composite of the guy who did the Good Samaritan routine for Joyce Gail Walker (1964).
He had a limp. Law enforcement was probably the source of the composite because he spoke to them.
Top right is the composite. Not bad IMO.
Chronology of the Good Samaritan is what stands out. The Zodiac seems to be the period where he stopped doing that. Probably because Cheri Jo Bates put up a struggle and left him leaving a trail of blood in his escape, a missing watch and his footwear prints. That’s enough to the put the pause on his activities for 2 years and to switch up his m.o. only to go back to it again when he gets seen with Stine and makes more mistakes. Stine even has hallmarks of him going back to his old ways with Oceanside.
Zodiac is just a phase. The guy is far more prolific as the Good Samaritan which appears to be part of the SRHMs.
I am not saying it all fits nice and snug without any problems, but to simply dismiss all this because some teenager wrote those three scrawls of letters is mind-boggling even if one was a fence sitter on CJB.
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Sorry but which taunters who call the police and mail letters for them in the chronology with these crimes both canonical and non-canonical do you mean? Also how many out of those threatened more murder but didn’t commit any more? I am genuinely interested in those.
CJB was murdered in 1966. The first Zodiac murder happened in late 1968. Then three more in less than a year. Which one is the chronological outlier?
These types of communicators are extremely rare. Rarer than serial killers are rare.
There is no evidence that CJB was murdered by a serial killer. There’s also no evidence that the writer of the Confession Letter committed the crime.
Is your watch and footwear both military shopped and one overseas? This is also where the Lake Berryessa theme comes in, not to mention the Zodiac watch with the symbol is also a PX watch.
How is this relevant to the Zodiac case? There’s no evidence that Zodiac was military nor that he spent any time overseas.
Zodiac seems to have had a heck of guess that this CJB would not be solved over the decades and still isn’t.
Not really a heck of a guess. By the time he claimed responsibility for Riverside, the case was unsolved for 5 years with no real leads.
Plus Kathleen Johns just making up a Good Samaritan routine is a heck of guess also if she is lying.
Again, not much of a guess. It was and is a common tactic of criminals to lure victims under the pretense of helping them or needing help.
Then there is that composite of the guy who did the Good Samaritan routine for Joyce Gail Walker (1964).
Again, irrelevant to both Zodiac and CJB. As I said, you could find commonalities and odd coincidences among almost any unsolved murders if you look hard enough.
He had a limp. Law enforcement was probably the source of the composite because he spoke to them.
This notion that Zodiac had a limp has been debunked again and again and again.
I’ll say it once more: there is almost nothing that connects CJB with Zodiac. The letters to the papers with the strange Z symbol was the best connection and that has been disproven. All you have left is a tragic, brutal stabbing of a woman two years before and 450 miles away from the first confirmed Zodiac slaying. Stick to the 5 canonical crimes. Once you start venturing out of those, the whole thing gets messy.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
@chaucer: What are you referring to when you say “behavioral similarity”?
By that I mean the letter-writing campaign and its similarity to Zodiac writings. I did not mean to imply the actual behavior events of the murder itself (which does not really lend itself to Zodiac comparison).
That was too much!
@russ-thompson With the new information about the Bates letters, I do not believe the letter-writing campaign applies.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
With the new information about the Bates letters, I do not believe the letter-writing campaign applies.
The “new information” has not been verified. The claim as I read it is that someone who claimed to have forged the Bates homicide letters is identified. They identified a person who made this claim, that is all. No proof yet that the claim to have done the hoaxing is true.
Matter of fact I have seen nothing credible to back this claim yet. A buried press blurb making claims on a web site is not real evidence. The blurb itself refers back to web forum.
That was too much!
If true, this is a fantastic development.
I personally am not convinced the writer of the CJB letters is found just by looking at what has been put forward so far.
That was too much!
“I have seen nothing credible to back this claim yet. A buried press blurb making claims on a web site is not real evidence. The blurb itself refers back to web forum.”
@russ-thompson dude…give it up already. Riverside police posted it to their page today.
And now you can apologize for your earlier idiotic suggestion that I hoaxed it to sell books.
Very intriguing. Overall it suggests to me that DNA inquiries in both investigations are far from cold.
By the way, were the hoaxer’s extremely menacing and terrorizing letters not themselves a crime? I guess the statute of limitations ran out.
Very intriguing. Overall it suggests to me that DNA inquiries in both investigations are far from cold.
By the way, were the hoaxer’s extremely menacing and terrorizing letters not themselves a crime? I guess the statute of limitations ran out.
You can just see them sat there trying to google “Statute of limitations” in various ways without putting “for hoax letters in a murder enquiry” so their family/partner/employer doesn’t suss them out. Then they find out when it runs out, and then set a google alert that just says “own up.”
I think that while the RPD’s press release left a lot to be desired in terms of phrasing and basic grammar, the only reasonable conclusion to draw is that police have confirmed that the Bates Had To Die letters were not written by the Bates killer or the Zodiac. They are no longer relevant to either case.
I don’t believe there is any grand conspiracy at play.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
@chaucer But the crucial question is how they came to know. Is there workable DNA in both cases?
@jacob agreed. Still many unanswered questions.
I posted elsewhere that this deserved a press conference not a press release.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
@russ-thompson dude…give it up already. Riverside police posted it to their page today.
And now you can apologize for your earlier idiotic suggestion that I hoaxed it to sell books.
Can you prove that the writer of the CJB letters has been identified? I am not asking for a weblink to a discussion. Doesn’t matter if Jesus himself posted a weblink to a discussion.
That was too much!
@chaucer But the crucial question is how they came to know. Is there workable DNA in both cases?
Jacob, it says in 2016 that a man who obviously felt bad about sending in the 3 hoax scrawls sent RPD a letter telling them he did it. That guy left his DNA on the mailing. So they did some familial DNA testing and found him and obviously went through him with a tooth and comb because of what he put the family through and how it misled investigators. I think that’s why we can be confident he was cleared.
They haven’t mentioned the typed confession letter or anything about the phone call. If he was the one that faked that, then you can sure that would be the first one they would they would mention because it’s obviously the far more relevant communication to the case and even the Zodiac case.
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