Murray…

The lag time between LHR and BRS is of course an unknown, one thing I would tend to rule out would be jail time. I would think LE would have been all over that and checked out anyone who remotely could have fit the MO. But who knows even there things can get missed, especially if Serial is arrested out of area, state, etc. I’ve heard serial’s before state that they can troll for long period’s of time without any success, and they’re first driven by the drive to murder, and they can go long periods without feeling that drive as well. And I guess when they’re in that frenzy to kill they’ll cast off sound reasoning to fulfill their lust. Hard to understand Stine, the risks Z took, he had his mind made up. If Z did do CJB, same thing, lots of people around a University.

You make a good point.

1. Was Z’s primary motive in killing to gain attention through his letters and codes?
2. If "yes" to that, why did he wait over 7 months to take credit for Lake Herman Road?

Thoughts on this: Z must have been motivated by murder on some level, even if he did eventually come to value the media attention more. Now granted, at this forum we analyze these events using what are [mostly] sound minds, and to get inside the mind of someone who murders regularly would be presumptious — it might make perfect sense to Z. So as for taking credit, i think the appetite for media attention and that of LE was more of an acquired taste. I also think the close call of nearly being caught in SF (Paul Stine) put an end to that willingness to risk getting caught.

Murray….

I agree Stine was more than he could risk going forward, whatever that was for Z. They say it’s the hunt, more than the action of killing itself, so maybe he could go back into what I believe he did before Z, hunt and kill. And maybe that wouldn’t be enough for him. There were many unsolved murders in the 70’s, so we can’t eliminate Z entirely from the picture. And if he was as good as he said he was, he could very well get away with many. I’m still confident his ID will become known to us, somehow, some way.

I share your hope that the truth will be uncovered. And I agree — many, many unsolved murders in the 70s, who is to say Z wasn’t behind at least some of them?

Some people believe the case was solved internally and it was Ted Kaczinsky. He’s got life without parole for different serial killing, so it’s no big deal. But this would explain why nobody else will ever get caught for the Z murders.

Some people believe the case was solved internally and it was Ted Kaczinsky. He’s got life without parole for different serial killing, so it’s no big deal. But this would explain why nobody else will ever get caught for the Z murders.

Or,they just couldn’t catch the right Guy

Yeah, it makes no sense that California police and the FBI, if they had the right guy in custody, wouldn’t charge him. There’s a TON of evidence in the Zodiac case. Getting a conviction would be a cakewalk.

Yeah, it makes no sense that California police and the FBI, if they had the right guy in custody, wouldn’t charge him. There’s a TON of evidence in the Zodiac case. Getting a conviction would be a cakewalk.

Sometimes people get perturbed if I "hijack the thread" to push my Ted K theory so I will just say "go to the Ted Kaczinsky section of this board and read thoroughly." There are some possible reasons they would not go for the prosecution of Kaczinsky for the Zodiac crimes. But the main one is he’s already locked up for life.

Yeah, it makes no sense that California police and the FBI, if they had the right guy in custody, wouldn’t charge him. There’s a TON of evidence in the Zodiac case. Getting a conviction would be a cakewalk.

Sometimes people get perturbed if I "hijack the thread" to push my Ted K theory so I will just say "go to the Ted Kaczinsky section of this board and read thoroughly." There are some possible reasons they would not go for the prosecution of Kaczinsky for the Zodiac crimes. But the main one is he’s already locked up for life.

If LE knows Z was TK, why do they have detective Poyser and possibly other LE resources still working on the case? Why leave it out there as a permanent embarrassment to themselves?

They could make their case, close Zodiac once and for all, without pursuing further punishment for Ted.I believe capital punishment is off the table (pun intended) in California anyway and unless Ted lives to be 500 years old he’s not going anywhere, as you point out.

Bottom line, if LE has two options, one being "We’ve solved it" and the other being "We’ve been outwitted for more than 45 years," which legacy would they prefer?

Are they really working on the case or just acting like it?

Are they really working on the case or just acting like it?

Well, we know Officer Poyser, for one, is spending some time on it. Not a lot, maybe, but some.

What you’re suggesting is that some high-ranking official in LE has passed down the word that Z is solved, and everyone "assigned" to the case should just pretend and actually not bother with it. Or, they think it’s wise to let people like officer Poyser waste his time, to make their deceit look convincing. Because, they have decided they want to continue the negative publicity of having been outwitted by Zodiac.

When the alternative option would be to bring forth the evidence, make the case, close it cleanly, and be done with it.

So, in your scenario, we either have at least some LE resources being wasted, with only a handful f LE officials knowing the truth, or we have a conspiracy throughout LE that the public must never know that they’ve solved the case, and any assignments involving the Z cold case should basically be ignored (but make it look like they’re still trying.)

Makes no sense. Who wants to look like a fool when they could instead look like they’ve done a good job?

Are they really working on the case or just acting like it?

Well, we know Officer Poyser, for one, is spending some time on it. Not a lot, maybe, but some.

What you’re suggesting is that some high-ranking official in LE has passed down the word that Z is solved, and everyone "assigned" to the case should just pretend and actually not bother with it. Or, they think it’s wise to let people like officer Poyser waste his time, to make their deceit look convincing. Because, they have decided they want to continue the negative publicity of having been outwitted by Zodiac.

When the alternative option would be to bring forth the evidence, make the case, close it cleanly, and be done with it.

So, in your scenario, we either have at least some LE resources being wasted, with only a handful f LE officials knowing the truth, or we have a conspiracy throughout LE that the public must never know that they’ve solved the case, and any assignments involving the Z cold case should basically be ignored (but make it look like they’re still trying.)

Makes no sense. Who wants to look like a fool when they could instead look like they’ve done a good job?

We’re getting way off topic for this thread so check out the Kaczinsky section of this board, as I suggested earlier. I gave some reasons for this in that section, I believe.

Maybe, EOTW, you could add to your last post, a link to where you say this. It would be helpful for any interested via this thread and the last few posts. The TK threads are huge.

Maybe, EOTW, you could add to your last post, a link to where you say this. It would be helpful for any interested via this thread and the last few posts. The TK threads are huge.

I don’t know how to do that. I’m computer illiterate. Basically I think there are a couple reasons they would not try to get Kaczinsky for the Z crimes. (1) He’s locked up forever, already. Wasting taxpayer money for no net effect. (2) Apparently he was involved in psychological experiments while in college, which possibly screwed him up. He would embarrass the MK Ultra crowd if he used this in his defense. (3) Evidently when his brother David ratted him out some kind of deal was made between David, Ted, and the various lawyers. They might well have stipulated he will confess to the the Unabomber stuff and tell all if they agree not to prosecute for any earlier crimes.

But none of this belongs on this thread, which is about the CJB murder. By all means check out the Ted Kaczinsky section on this message board. Lots of info there, and I think even if you don’t believe he was the Z, you will have to admit the similarities in manipulation of the press to terrorize the greater population.