Another look at the Z 408, 4 exemple

The letter L is repeated 33 times
The letter R is repeated 19 times.

It does not seem impossible to force certain letters in a code to another pseudocode.

May be coincidence
Yes, of course you can
But there is no way to prove otherwise

I watched this:

Marcelo

Another look at the Z 408, 4 exemple

The letter L is repeated 33 times
The letter R is repeated 19 times.

It does not seem impossible to force certain letters in a code to another pseudocode.

There are many ways to make dates with your method. For example, here are 86 ways. That means you’ve ignored them even though they might match to birthdays of other suspects:

D=04, 07 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 07/20/1904
D=04, 07 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 07/04/1920
D=04, 07 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 04/07/1920
D=04, 07 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 04/20/1907
D=04, 07 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 07/04/1918
D=04, 07 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 07/18/1904
D=04, 07 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 04/07/1918
D=04, 07 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 04/18/1907
E=05, 54 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 05/20/1954
E=05, 54 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 05/18/1954
F=06, 11 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 11/20/1906
F=06, 11 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 11/06/1920
F=06, 11 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 06/11/1920
F=06, 11 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 06/20/1911
F=06, 11 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 11/06/1918
F=06, 11 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 11/18/1906
F=06, 11 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 06/11/1918
F=06, 11 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 06/18/1911
G=07, 12 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 12/20/1907
G=07, 12 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 12/07/1920
G=07, 12 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 07/12/1920
G=07, 12 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 07/20/1912
G=07, 12 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 12/07/1918
G=07, 12 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 12/18/1907
G=07, 12 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 07/12/1918
G=07, 12 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 07/18/1912
A=01, 26 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 01/26/1920
A=01, 26 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 01/20/1926
A=01, 26 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 01/26/1918
A=01, 26 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 01/18/1926
B=02, 09 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 09/20/1902
B=02, 09 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 09/02/1920
B=02, 09 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 02/09/1920
B=02, 09 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 02/20/1909
B=02, 09 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 09/02/1918
B=02, 09 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 09/18/1902
B=02, 09 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 02/09/1918
B=02, 09 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 02/18/1909
C=03, 10 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 10/20/1903
C=03, 10 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 10/03/1920
C=03, 10 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 03/10/1920
C=03, 10 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 03/20/1910
C=03, 10 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 10/03/1918
C=03, 10 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 10/18/1903
C=03, 10 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 03/10/1918
C=03, 10 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 03/18/1910
L=12, 33 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 12/20/1933
L=12, 33 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 12/18/1933
H=08, 16 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 08/16/1920
H=08, 16 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 08/20/1916
H=08, 16 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 08/16/1918
H=08, 16 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 08/18/1916
I=09, 44 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 09/20/1944
I=09, 44 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 09/18/1944
K=11, 06 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 06/20/1911
K=11, 06 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 06/11/1920
K=11, 06 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 11/06/1920
K=11, 06 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 11/20/1906
K=11, 06 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 06/11/1918
K=11, 06 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 06/18/1911
K=11, 06 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 11/06/1918
K=11, 06 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 11/18/1906
U=21, 10 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 10/20/1921
U=21, 10 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 10/21/1920
U=21, 10 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 10/21/1918
U=21, 10 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 10/18/1921
W=23, 08 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 08/20/1923
W=23, 08 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 08/23/1920
W=23, 08 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 08/23/1918
W=23, 08 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 08/18/1923
V=22, 06 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 06/20/1922
V=22, 06 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 06/22/1920
V=22, 06 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 06/22/1918
V=22, 06 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 06/18/1922
P=16, 07 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 07/20/1916
P=16, 07 occurrences; S=19, 20 occurrences; 07/16/1920
P=16, 07 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 07/16/1918
P=16, 07 occurrences; R=18, 19 occurrences; 07/18/1916
S=19, 20 occurrences; Y=25, 08 occurrences; 08/20/1925
S=19, 20 occurrences; Y=25, 08 occurrences; 08/25/1920
S=19, 20 occurrences; X=24, 01 occurrences; 01/20/1924
S=19, 20 occurrences; X=24, 01 occurrences; 01/24/1920
R=18, 19 occurrences; Y=25, 08 occurrences; 08/18/1925
R=18, 19 occurrences; Y=25, 08 occurrences; 08/25/1918
R=18, 19 occurrences; X=24, 01 occurrences; 01/18/1924
R=18, 19 occurrences; X=24, 01 occurrences; 01/24/1918

May be coincidence
Yes, of course you can
But there is no way to prove otherwise

Then it has no value, because thousands of other coincidences can be created using similar methods.

Ok Mr Doranchack
Marcelo

Marclean-

There is no way that this is anything other than total "coincidence" and therefore, manufactured nonsense.

Are you saying that ALA somehow managed to chose the date of his own birth, in order to "coincide" with the name of the college?
I’m pretty sure that no human being that ever lived has managed to choose his own date of birth.

Are you saying that Riverside (which is one word, not River Side) college named their college to match with the birth of ALA?
I’m pretty sure that it was named after the city of Riverside, nothing to do with ALA.

Are you saying that ALA named the college? Because that is ridiculous.

What exactly ARE YOU SAYING? Other than "look at this shiny coincidence I made up?" Because I just see nonsense. And this case is already full of that, among other things. Why add more? It certainly is not evidence of anything.

What logical statement are you trying to make, if any at all?

-glurk

I believe the only possible explanation for this would be that ALA created a code for choosing where he would commit a murder.

Based on Marclean’s code, that would mean he simply used the alphanumeric code of his birthdate to generate a series of letters, and then find a place that matched an arrangement of those letters by acronym.

That would explain why he had to drive all the way down to Riverside to find a place that matched. Lucky for him that he was able to find a location only a few hours away, and he didn’t have to fly to Hawaii or something, right?

What if he couldn’t find a location to match the code from his birthday? Would he have to make up another code based on some other form of his identity? Maybe that is why he went two more years before committing another murder, and also why he stopped, he couldn’t come up with any more.

I believe the only possible explanation for this would be that ALA created a code for choosing where he would commit a murder.

Based on Marclean’s code, that would mean he simply used the alphanumeric code of his birthdate to generate a series of letters, and then find a place that matched an arrangement of those letters by acronym.

That would explain why he had to drive all the way down to Riverside to find a place that matched. Lucky for him that he was able to find a location only a few hours away, and he didn’t have to fly to Hawaii or something, right?

What if he couldn’t find a location to match the code from his birthday? Would he have to make up another code based on some other form of his identity? Maybe that is why he went two more years before committing another murder, and also why he stopped, he couldn’t come up with any more.

Yes but what Marclean has done here is not AT ALL like taking a known code and using cryptographic means to solve it.

Instead, he has started with a suspect, ALA, taken his date of birth and encoded it in one particular way, and then found some vaguely related location and tied the two together using numerology.

Anyone can play that game. And many have, and still do. It’s a completely ass-backwards way to do things, and proves nothing. It just creates noise.

-glurk

All Right Mr Glurk

Marcelo

yeah, I wasn’t being serious.

It could make a certain amount of sense to go looking through Zodiac communications or creating codes to find suspects, but if you reverse the process and think of what it would take for that person to first create such a code or scheme, then you will see that it defies the odds of the real world. It only works for pure theoretical mathematics.

In other words, trying to create such a code to come up with a location for a murder is not something a murderer would do, but also it is too random to produce a location in close proximity. It only makes sense if he chose the location first and then created a code to make it fit, but then he wouldn’t need to do that and he still would have to create many codes until he got the right one.

yeah, I wasn’t being serious.

It could make a certain amount of sense to go looking through Zodiac communications or creating codes to find suspects, but if you reverse the process and think of what it would take for that person to first create such a code or scheme, then you will see that it defies the odds of the real world. It only works for pure theoretical mathematics.

In other words, trying to create such a code to come up with a location for a murder is not something a murderer would do, but also it is too random to produce a location in close proximity. It only makes sense if he chose the location first and then created a code to make it fit, but then he wouldn’t need to do that and he still would have to create many codes until he got the right one.

Yes Sr duckking2001
However,
— It was not me who raised Leigh Allen as a suspect
— It was not I who raised the hypothesis Cherry have possible victim of Z.
— It was not me who chose the place where she (Cherry) was killed.
A remote hypothesis that I was right, the new "codes" would be in local dates etc.
In this theory, which is not very complicated, I observed the locations of the crimes committed by the infamous Z, in the first two counts of simple letters and the place where Stine (taxi driver) was murdered, I thought, because the registry was an end of trip (Maple with Whashington) and the taxi was more forward ( Cherry withe Whashinton), figured in his sick mind would present some relevant information. Anyway just watch the image below.
However, that, these things I say, in fact, prove nothing.

thanks 4 the reply
Marcelo

Please stop the madness.

Not to mention that this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Please stop the madness.

Not to mention that this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

Thanks for reply

Marclean,
Would you please start your own thread somewhere with all this stuff, instead of posting it multiple places? That way, people like me who think you’re a nice guy but don’t think your methodology is valid can more easily sidestep it.

And by the way, it was Lake Herman ROAD (14 letters), not Lake Herman, so that blows your theory. Had "The Presidio" been 10 letters you could’ve chosen that, but it doesn’t fit either.

Marclean,
Would you please start your own thread somewhere with all this stuff, instead of posting it multiple places? That way, people like me who think you’re a nice guy but don’t think your methodology is valid can more easily sidestep it.

And by the way, it was Lake Herman ROAD (14 letters), not Lake Herman, so that blows your theory. Had "The Presidio" been 10 letters you could’ve chosen that, but it doesn’t fit either.

Yes you are right Mr Marshall !!!
At first I thought it was HERMANLAKE, now you gave me information that overthrows what I thought was right !!

With respect to observing the streets and corners (instead of THE PRESIDIO) it was for two reasons
1- by CHERRY street by obvios and related subjects at Cherry Jo Bates
2-for MAPLE street, I observed is the eponymous name of an avenue that passes behind where the ALA worked.

Now, with this information ( is HERMAN LAKE ROAD), it all falls down.
thanks for the information and education

Yes, I post on a single segment of my stuff.

Consider this topic closed
again , thank u very much!!!

Marcelo

Yes Sr duckking2001
However,
— It was not me who raised Leigh Allen as a suspect
— It was not I who raised the hypothesis Cherry have possible victim of Z.
— It was not me who chose the place where she (Cherry) was killed.

You didn’t raise ALA as a suspect? So you’re telling me that you just took the phrase "River Side City College Library" which isn’t the actual name of the place, decided to break it up by letter to RSCCL for no reason, rearrange the letters as LRSCC for no reason, and then match them up alphanumerically to 12 18 19 3 3 which is a meaningless series of numbers on it’s own, and without knowing ALA’s birthdate, later happened to come upon it and see that it randomly matched the solution you had already came up with?

Or did you take that date, and every other number on ALA’s driver’s license and covert them to letters and then try to see which series of letters could be matched up to locations or anything else associated with the Zodiac?

If Allen really did use this code to choose his locations, where is the code for Springs Road, the location where Darlene was killed? Why did he omit that one if he used this method for all the others?

and since you say, it wasn’t you who choose where Cheri was killed, and she was in fact NOT killed at the Library, why didn’t he choose the actual street name of the murder site, as he did for all the other codes you came up with?

You didn’t raise ALA as a suspect? So you’re telling me that you just took the phrase "River Side City College Library" which isn’t the actual name of the place, decided to break it up by letter to RSCCL for no reason, rearrange the letters as LRSCC for no reason, and then match them up alphanumerically to 12 18 19 3 3 which is a meaningless series of numbers on it’s own, and without knowing ALA’s birthdate, later happened to come upon it and see that it randomly matched the solution you had already came up with?

Or did you take that date, and every other number on ALA’s driver’s license and covert them to letters and then try to see which series of letters could be matched up to locations or anything else associated with the Zodiac?

If Allen really did use this code to choose his locations, where is the code for Springs Road, the location where Darlene was killed? Why did he omit that one if he used this method for all the others?

and since you say, it wasn’t you who choose where Cheri was killed, and she was in fact NOT killed at the Library, why didn’t he choose the actual street name of the murder site, as he did for all the other codes you came up with?

Hi Mr duckking2001

I noticed that are rhetorical questions, in which you ask me something of an answer that you already have as the judgment, in theory, how I would have done things, and statement tone.

However, I know that rhetorical questions are not answered only if both people, asking and reading, has the right to reply.

What I can say is that we will let it go.
Any answer I him, I’m sure, that the statements already in your questions, would not be accepted.

Furthermore, nothing could be proved, if in theory I’m sure these things.

Only I believe, I am an honest man, (I could you continue to "force" things like say, for example Her man L ake R oad.)
I’ll leave that aside. I’m not upset about it and do not take me as a victim (sounds sad violins in the background) , I know that these things always emerge when they are placed in debates.

And, it is in fact a waste of time and energy around something not that important.

Sorry if I did not answer your questions, just did not want to leave, the uneducated way to their questions

I wish your lordship things better and a long life and prosper.

Marcelo Leandro