Regarding the Timex watch recovered near Cheri Jo’s body, it is a size 7, or a 7 inch wrist band. This is considered a small size
wrist for a man, whereby one should deduct 10% from their body mass if the wrist measures that small, for correct height and weight.
The problem with the watch and the cigarette butt is that this is a public place and they both could have been left by anyone, or the
killer. I say they should be tested for touch DNA and run through CODIS.
Good idea, couldn’t hurt.
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According to "Bud" Kelly, flecks of paint were found on the Timex watch. RPD’s suspect, "Bob Barnett" lived in a small house behind his parents, and recently had been painting it. However, Kelly did not say the paint on the watch matched the paint on Barnett’s house, and I did not, unfortunately, think to ask him.
Who is Bud Kelly?
QT
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Who is Bud Kelly?
QT
He is a cop who investigated at the time who a couple years ago got arrested for child molestation.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Just read some reports today that stated this Timex appears to be ripped off the Killer’s wrist during the attack on Cheri Jo Bates. t came to a final stop on 12:24 am the next morning. FBI prepared a DNA profile for this watch for Riverside County, and instructed them to place this evidence into refrigeration upon return of it from the FBI. Has Riverside complied? Where’s this Timex watch? Did they enter this DNA into CODIS? I guess it didn’t match Riverside’s star suspect…
Well as for the watch, even the psychopathic have a schedule to keep! "I am meeting the President in the Lighthouse at 3pm in a secret, urgent meeting to inform President Osama that the Aliens are talking over Earth in, hmmmmm, 7 and a half minutes". Lol.
Na but I don’t think the watch simply ‘slid’ or ‘Fell’ off, I think it’s a deliberate plant same as were the size 7 gloves in Stine’s Cab. Just a personal opinion.
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Just read some reports today that stated this Timex appears to be ripped off the Killer’s wrist during the attack on Cheri Jo Bates. t came to a final stop on 12:24 am the next morning. FBI prepared a DNA profile for this watch for Riverside County, and instructed them to place this evidence into refrigeration upon return of it from the FBI. Has Riverside complied? Where’s this Timex watch? Did they enter this DNA into CODIS? I guess it didn’t match Riverside’s star suspect…
The watch never stopped, it was photographed in situ at 9.07am and later in the evidence room at 12.23. The Gareth Penn and Grant scenario is wrong. My guess is the DNA angle on this watch is full of dead ends. If only they made public which evidence has been tested and who has been ruled in or out in the whole Zodiac case, then the Zodiac community wouldn’t need to keep chasing their tails. More transparency is needed, after all the end game is the same for all of us.
A DNA match would be so cool..
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rHope I’m not dragin up old stuff.. Many moons ago 30s 40s 50s 60s jewellers watch repair people would often inscribe in miniature on the back of the watch but mostly on the inside, codes that would tell them of the repairs and dates that they had performed. It was miniature, in most cases not visible to the naked eye. I mean micro.. Just wondering if the detectivess at the time looked for it.. It’ is not a commonly known thing.. Lots of old watches have it. You may have it done to your watch .. In fact if the jeweler did not like you he may have left an invisible message. Lincolns pocket watch an example but it was not micro.. I. Have an examples but because it’s an unsolved case I can’t put it up.. This is a random one from the net .. Not miniture .. Still readable . Apart from the Blah Blah.. Just wondering if they ever put it under a loupes eye glass . It could tell a story. Ha never know..below has nothing to do with this case
rHope I’m not dragin up old stuff.. Many moons ago 30s 40s 50s 60s jewellers watch repair people would often inscribe in miniature on the back of the watch but mostly on the inside, codes that would tell them of the repairs and dates that they had performed. It was miniature, in most cases not visible to the naked eye. I mean micro.. Just wondering if the detectivess at the time looked for it.. It’ is not a commonly known thing.. Lots of old watches have it. You may have it done to your watch .. In fact if the jeweler did not like you he may have left an invisible message. Lincolns pocket watch an example but it was not micro.. I. Have an examples but because it’s an unsolved case I can’t put it up.. This is a random one from the net .. Not miniture .. Still readable . Apart from the Blah Blah.. Just wondering if they ever put it under a loupes eye glass . It could tell a story. Ha never know..below has nothing to do with this case
I pointed this out at the old site ,with no response . I agree a very good place to try. Because this type of watch (all watches then) had to be serviced ,the name of who purchased it may have been recorded ,to send reminders in the mail to get it serviced .
The cheap early Timex watches where not good time keepers new, so spending $6 or 1/2 the cost of the watch to get it cleaned /repared may not have been worth it .
With such a valueable piece of evidence cops must have known to have it checked . but the chance of it making a difference was lost 30 years ago IMO
I have stated this one this forum before, but I do not remember exactly where. I think it was under the tread that debated if Cheri Jo was done by the Zodiac. I believe that there is a good chance that the watch did not belong to the killer. There was a lot of construction going on and many different workers on the grounds. I believe it is possible that one of the construction workers got his watch caught on something and it tore off. The then put the watch in his pocket or maybe his tool belt and accidently dropped it later. There are many things at a construction site that could be where the white specks actually came from. If someone knew that they left their watch at a murder scene I would imagine that they would go back to look for it, especially since the watch was reported to be in plan view. (I know there are rumors that two guys with flashlights were looking there later; however I’m not sure that could be confirmed. And yes, I realize he may have been way too scared to return and look for the watch.) My guess is that if it belonged to the construction worker may have been scared to report it was his watch since he knew they thought the killer had left it behind. If he was alone that night then suspicion would be even higher.
I agree with others that it could also have been planted; however I think her murder may not have been completely planned. What I mean by that is I think the killer may have really liked her and decided to be a “hero” and rescue her from being stranded; however as they were walking and talking Cheri Jo mentioned her recent trip and her boyfriend. The killer at that time realizing his plan did not work gets upset and starts stabbing her. After all she was killed but a blade that was the size of a pocket knife.
I think we can feel pretty assured that the watch was subject to detailed examination inside and out for clews. Inclewding (apologies) inside the case.
It doesn’t appear to have helped much. TF bought a similar watch on eBay back in the day; we produced a good thread on the subject thereafter I feel, back here: http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/ … 5&start=30
And I’m not an Occam’s Razor kind of guy – but the fact that the watch was discovered within feet of Cheri’s body and with (I believe) a pin that retains the strap dislodged so it came loose is good enough for me. He attacked her, she struggled, the watch broke loose during the melee, QED. What’s interesting to me is that it was still there in the morning.
And btw I don’t think there is such a thing as a "size seven" watch strap. It is supposed to have fitted a 7-inch wrist, yes. The fact that the attacker wore an 8 1/2 shoe is the better indicator of the attacker’s overall size, I’d suggest. (Merely judging by my own huge feet and skinny wrists.)
JMO
So your saying the blue meanies would have done a perfect crime scene investigation. Yep you are probably right. But I’ve seen cases where tiny things have been overlooked because they did not have the knowledge. A visual inspection of tha watch would not pick up micro writing unless they had a jewelers loupe. The chances of them knowing about micro writing are ZiLch PleasE don’t trash me I’m Just asking the question.
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That bergay escapement had been around for 110 years in 66 ,getting fixed the same too so like smithy said cops must have known about the repairmans ID scratches . as big as the zodiac case was jewelers for sure would be all over a watch being checked .
One thing I think can be assumed is, wearing a cheap Timex this killer (if it was from the killer not planted) was not a blue collar worker in a union shop. Anyone in a union shop purchased a very good quality watch $40-50 back in 1965 quickly .Why ?
it was not easy to fire an employee without a good cause in a union but the one thing that would get you fire easily was being late 1 minute is late . my father and uncles always carefully bought watches known for very good time keeping back then for this reason
