A couple of more things to consider as to why this might be important in relation to Z.

If he’s involved here, it’s the Halloween Murder of CJB, 4 years later he sends the Halloween card to Avery. He’s done something like this before, writing to Belli on the anniversary of BRS.

The Ansuz symbol again is very similar to the right hand section of his "new" symbol on that Card.

The stamp he uses (commemerating Apollo 11) contains the quote " In the beginning" (God created the heavens and the earth) Genesis 1:1
Same subject from John 1:1…In the beginning God created the Word. This is the basis for the whole meaning of Ansuz and is often quoted in relation to it.

Another meaning for Ansuz is Rivermouth or Estuary, this is because people associated the flow of water with the spreading of knowledge/the word.
Rivermouth,,,Riverside…lake herman..LB etc, maybe that’s where the symbolism lies for him?

Also on the Desk top poem, we have what could be another symbol contained in the title "TO" there’s a dot in the "O". We know Zodiac used that symbol later in his codes. Quote "the most profound meaning of the circle with dot is that of God". It’s also used to symbolize "sound".

Below is another example of Ansuz and Circle with dot used together:-

WIER, for what it’s worth, others have also mentioned the symbols you are talking about in regards to the Z case:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/ … 9&start=10

google Zodiac Killer and Ansuz togetehr there are a few thread results

Also, check your email,I am mailing you something I just came across,not sure I remember seeing it before.

Thanks Morph yes, the idea that Ansuz might form part of the Halloween Card symbol is an old one but unless we can show that it was a symbol that might have been repeated for some reason, it will remain as is …just as good or as bad as all other suggestions regarding that Symbol.

While I do have some ideas regarding the exact meaning of Ansuz as it appears on the desk, all are pointless unless we can at least reasonably demonstrate that the symbol is there by desgin and part of the overall in the first place. Perhaps then those avenues can be explored.

Here are my reasons for thinking it is there by design:-

In order for it to be not so, we have to believe that some other person, as some previous time, either decided to upturn that same desk or find it in upturned position, to etch that symbol onto it. It’s not the result of chance but rather of deliberate geometric design. The symbol itself ( judging from the poem) is no more than 2-3 inches high. Hardly worth the effort.
Sometime in the future, the author of the poem arrives and decides to write the poem on the same upturned desk. The surface itself is difficult to write on in the first place, so it seems strange that he/she would not elect to chose a clearer section away from the damage or even another desk. Instead the author positions the poem so that the symbol is smack bang in the middle of it. Both coincidentally, have chosen sizes for there independent work, that happen to fit, the poem being just 6 inches in overall lenght, with the main body not much more than 4 inches. It has also coincidentally transpired that the first person has chosen a geometric shape that all but predicts what the author of the poem will write on top in the future.
more to follow….

For all intents and purposes it would be effectively the same thing for someone, to etch an upturned pentagram on the desk and have someone follow later with as piece about witchcraft over it, without knowning what the symbol represented.

When people looked at the initials "rh"many instinctively thought or came to the conclusion( especially in light of the fact that no one with those initials was ever found) that they stood for Red Herring. Ok, we still can’t say for sure but if that’s what was intended, it goes far beyond the person simply not wanting to leave an identity that could be traced back to them. Specifically, it’s intention is to divert and mislead, which in turn says more about the author’s intentions.

My suggestion is that the author used those in the knowledge that they would be recognised as such..a clue if you will. Note also the Title of the poem and the scratch beneath it. It too is positioned with purpose as if to underline the title…the clue was there, that the "scratch" had purpose. Just beneath where the "Ansuz" type symbol begins, the author moves the body of the poem to the right with the " spurting, dripping, spilling" section. I’m inclined to believe that this was done/ all was aimed at ensuring that the Symbol would not be missed. Note also the "oo" in the word blood, the one on the right is affected by the etching, which brings me back to my point about the author chosing an area away from the damage, making a difficult job easier.

I believe that the symbol is key and was there as a signature of sorts. The author identifies with it in some way. It makes little sense for the author to place that symbol there to tell us what we already know…this is a message/poem concerning death, if intended he had to have some deeper association with it.

As I mentioned in another thread, the author of the poem deliberately moved and aligned the section of the poem reading "Spurting, Dripping,Spilling".
In each case the "ING" is protruding in each subsequent word. Note also how the overall angle is parallel to the underlying symbol.

Without racing ahead I also wanted to point to two other items. I’m not sure what to make of them but they are there and worth considering if only to eliminate.
1. After the word dress there is a small "r" shaped letter.
2. Abover the word "won’t" there is an inverted V. I had always assumed that the author went to write the N in won’t but a few things give me pause for thought.
a. It’s a county mile away from where it should be
b. If the author did intend an N, it would have been a capital N ( the only one in the poem)
c. Again, if N…if you look closely the inverted V appears to have feet on it.

Anyone any thought on these?

1. Circle with dot….Zodiac went on to use this in the 408 and give it the value E

2. The "small r" is not checkmarked and could be an inverted "L"…Greek Gamma G sound… derived from Phoenician Gimmel

3. The inverted V Greek Lamb-da value L but pronounced (as a single letter) i . Could also be Phonecial Gimmel see last post.

4. Ansuz…sound A

As I mentioned in another thread, the author of the poem deliberately moved and aligned the section of the poem reading "Spurting, Dripping,Spilling".
In each case the "ING" is protruding in each subsequent word. Note also how the overall angle is parallel to the underlying symbol.

Without racing ahead I also wanted to point to two other items. I’m not sure what to make of them but they are there and worth considering if only to eliminate.
1. After the word dress there is a small "r" shaped letter.
2. Abover the word "won’t" there is an inverted V. I had always assumed that the author went to write the N in won’t but a few things give me pause for thought.
a. It’s a county mile away from where it should be
b. If the author did intend an N, it would have been a capital N ( the only one in the poem)
c. Again, if N…if you look closely the inverted V appears to have feet on it.

Anyone any thought on these?

My two cents are all those marks are punctuation marks, and properly used. It’s a complex style that suggests a good command of written English.

I’m with you on the second point….good command of written english and all that that implies. There is correct punctuation in the word WON’T that’s quite seperate from the inverted V and the mark after dress is turned the opposite way to a comma.
That said, I don’t know if there’ye there by design or not or what they are but I had to include them for consideration, especially given the argument that they could be matched in the halloween card. The main point to all of this if the big symbol beneath the poem. If it’s there by design and if it is Ansuz.

Undoubtedly it takes a leap of faith, however if it is, then the rest is straightforward. "the answer you are looking for is here you just haven’t recognized it yet"/"Ansuz…the answer is often hidden in plain sight but not perhaps, the one you expect" which is another reason why I had to consider all of those marks. But it make be that the main symbol is all that is important. Coincidentally too, "Asch" is actually a legit surname or derived Ash. It’s just one of several ways to interpret it.