I believe the RH is the best clue to his name. First name being Robert or Roberto. I did find a Roberto Hernandez who made a claim to a mine in the Midland area of Riverside County in 1966. That mine was named Little Joe. The writing was very much like Zodiac’s.

Sandy: in 1991 I found a greeting card with text that looked exactly like Zodiac’s printing. Unfortunately, I no longer have the card

Sandy: in 1991 I found a greeting card with text that looked exactly like Zodiac’s printing. Unfortunately, I no longer have the card

Dag, Can you tell us where you found the card and what it looked like? I know how frustrating it is when you have something that could be important to the case and it slips through your fingers! How did you lose or misplace the card?

Sandy: In ’91 I was so involved in the Z case, particularly CJB, that the wife threatened to leave. So, I chucked all the files. I found the card haphazardly, in a nursing office drawer. It was an average-looking card, nothing special. Had a lot of text, though. And, like I said,its printing looked exactly like Z’s. Incidentally, my POI graduated from San Jose State University in ’71 with a degree in Graphic Arts.
Paul

Sandy: In ’91 I was so involved in the Z case, particularly CJB, that the wife threatened to leave. So, I chucked all the files. I found the card haphazardly, in a nursing office drawer. It was an average-looking card, nothing special. Had a lot of text, though. And, like I said,its printing looked exactly like Z’s. Incidentally, my POI graduated from San Jose State University in ’71 with a degree in Graphic Arts.
Paul

Thanks Dag, Very interesting. Was the card addressed to anyone in particular? Zodiac liked nurses , or so it seems. Kathleen Johns was living at one time in San Jose at least in 1990. My RH suspect was also into Graphic Arts. Do you remember anything at all about what was on the face of the card, was it a holiday card? I have one card unsigned from my suspect showing a woman in distress, laying across railroad tracks, in black and white.( Dressed like in the 1920’s ) Perhaps that was a warning?

The things that were left in my car Sept 28th or 29th 1969, were things like what a graphic artist would use. Lots of felt topped pens, a ruler from Healds collage and a couple of erasers, protractor.Plastic template of the alphabet,very old dictionary and a few other things. My impression was that who ever left the things in my car was onto art.
I take it that your wife is not upset that you are back looking at the case?

Sandy: In ’91 I was so involved in the Z case, particularly CJB, that the wife threatened to leave. So, I chucked all the files. I found the card haphazardly, in a nursing office drawer. It was an average-looking card, nothing special. Had a lot of text, though. And, like I said,its printing looked exactly like Z’s. Incidentally, my POI graduated from San Jose State University in ’71 with a degree in Graphic Arts.
Paul

My guy graduated from the same place in 70. A different degree. If they knew each other then he would probably know Donna Lass!

Sandy: In ’91 I was so involved in the Z case, particularly CJB, that the wife threatened to leave. So, I chucked all the files. I found the card haphazardly, in a nursing office drawer. It was an average-looking card, nothing special. Had a lot of text, though. And, like I said,its printing looked exactly like Z’s. Incidentally, my POI graduated from San Jose State University in ’71 with a degree in Graphic Arts.
Paul

My guy graduated from the same place in 70. A different degree. If they knew each other then he would probably know Donna Lass!

Mr Lowe, You are saying your suspect graduated from San Jose State 1970? Donna Lass didn’t live in San Jose, that was Kathleen Johns. Donna lived in SF , then Lake Tahoe. She had connections to a doctor in Santa Barbara before living in SF. Donna went missing from Lake Tahoe Sept 6th 1970.

Not sure what year Kathleen Johns moved from Southern Calif. to San Jose? Det. Jim Deasy told me where she was living when I spoke to him in Jan-Feb. 1990. I told Harvey Hines where she was when I met him in March 1990.

Sandy: In ’91 I was so involved in the Z case, particularly CJB, that the wife threatened to leave. So, I chucked all the files. I found the card haphazardly, in a nursing office drawer. It was an average-looking card, nothing special. Had a lot of text, though. And, like I said,its printing looked exactly like Z’s. Incidentally, my POI graduated from San Jose State University in ’71 with a degree in Graphic Arts.
Paul

My guy graduated from the same place in 70. A different degree. If they knew each other then he would probably know Donna Lass!

Mr Lowe, You are saying your suspect graduated from San Jose State 1970? Donna Lass didn’t live in San Jose, that was Kathleen Johns. Donna lived in SF , then Lake Tahoe. She had connections to a doctor in Santa Barbara before living in SF. Donna went missing from Lake Tahoe Sept 6th 1970.

Not sure what year Kathleen Johns moved from Southern Calif. to San Jose? Det. Jim Deasy told me where she was living when I spoke to him in Jan-Feb. 1990. I told Harvey Hines where she was when I met him in March 1990.

hi sandy i pm you.
i dont really have a suspect. just pieces of a puzzle

I believe the RH is Ramona High or Ruth H Scuffway? I forget her last name always. The Ramona year book is filled with dubious things. Weird morbid poems, z symbol on a drawing, CJB is in the book 5 times but only listed on THREE and they are all incorrect. Seems deliberate and kind of like the note from Pat Hurtz that was dated wrong (in regards to the article on the 1 yr anniversary of her death). It all connects back here. Even the halloween postcard – sent to the guy that unearthed the girl killed on halloween. I’m sure the suspect is from Glendale. That movie they made was shown publicly and ‘someone’ saw it.

But back to RH. In the 65 year book none of the weirdness is there. It’s back to normal BUT there is a poem from the editor Ruth Scuffway (again wrong name my bad) The 64 yearbook has NO CREDITS – the only link there is that letter years later which said "find Missus Taylur and ask her if she remembers who drew the symbols. Then you’ll have me". On the first page of the 64 yrs book is the principle’s secretary Mrs Taylor. Perhaps she drew the artwork and he added the math/Z symbols?. Only, the poem is written downwards like the desktop poem and she’s in the book a bunch of times but NEVER as Ruth H Scuffway – only credited like that on her poem. Was she known as ‘RH’ as a nickname? If it’s her professional name then I could see people calling her that… Wonder if anyone was attacked and never reported it… She’s the only RH I can see other than Ramona High (and that horrible, creepy, z laced yearbook). I’m leaning towards either another student from glendale or substitute teacher. Z had to make money if he moved, he seems to know alot about everything (math, arts, geography, writing) so a sub would fit that character and it’d be easy to roll into town and get a gig, right? Maybe he started with kids and hated it – thus the busses and children. I’m sure z saw that movie (made in glendale) got the idea from it and did it for real. Cecilia was in the library sometimes so there’s two victims (one from another school) studying in the same library? B.S. Only a student from another school or teacher would know all these kids. The desk poem? only someone inside and alone did that. I’d check subs and kids who went to glendale in 59/60 then moved to RCC. The silliphant family is suspicious too (imo Loren looks more like Z than anyone else I’ve seen) and the uncle who made the movie with sullivan, that guy looks SO HARD like he’s trying to look like someone other than himself. I think glendale needs to be looked into further. People who dismiss sullivan are not looking behind him and around him. Not at him but the circle he hung with. Was it one of the movie crew? A teacher who saw the film when they showed it in school? Was Fred Bauman or any other local journalist there covering it for any reason? Did the cops have a copy? That movie, sullivan and glendale hold answers. Why did Ross go to a 3 yrs mandated mental stay? What did he do? Ross’ brother’s girlfriend knew CJB… Could it be one of his friends? Was the killer really a 17 yr old genius AT THE TIME and not the phony suspect of those later emails? Was he telling the truth? He left many hints and clues collected as just evidence in this case and not explored. Did Ross do something and someone tried to set him up by killing CJB? It’s possible the old ross had a friend who’d see him or even went to RCC too? No one liked post mental hospital Ross – but I can see that. But old movie making Ross seems kinda normal… WHAT did he do to get sent away for 3 years!? On paper he looks like the best suspect imo – at a quick glance. I don’t think it’s him but someone who knew him or was around him at some point…or just someone who saw that movie. Glendale is the connection I’d look for.

Somebody wanted the connection to be made. Somebody went out of their way to implicate RH with Z. I personally think that Z was an operation that involved several in order to cover up relationships between factions of Scientology/Church of Satan, Manson and the Mob. ZODIAC: COS, MANSON AND THE MOB.

I do N0t think Robert E Hunter Jr murdered anybody himself. Kjell Qvale got himself honorable mention because he and several SFPD officers flat out lied about the Paul Stine murder and all of these people have direct links to LARRY KANE and Lake Tahoe.

Somebody wants Robert E Hunter Jr connected and all the evidence connects him to Lake Tahoe and Larry Kane,…oh throw Dr Charles Hollingsworth, Donna Lass, Darlene Ferrin and Cheri Jo Bates just to name a few.

I live here…lived here then also…looks like RH JR’s divorce, from first wife Sylvia, a SF society biggie…just read her obit! was messy oh hmmmmmmmmmmm

I believe the rh like the watch and poem itself ARE clues. I think he left a lot of clues that no one did anything with cuz maybe he WAS too good. I mean to write that poem you’d have to turn the desk over. No one’s doing this in daylight hours lol unless they are alone. Where was the desk – music room or library cuz I’ve read both? Music room could be a substitute teacher or student or janitor…no one else.

One IDEA I have is that it stood for riverside halloween.

CJB died Halloween Eve didn’t she? Night before Halloween?

Maybe the lower case letters indicates the they aren’t initials, but a reference to the location/date of CJBs murder.

P.s. Random fact We know Z sent a special little Halloween card.

I think the halloween card might have clues but overall it was sent to the guy who unearthed this z connection to a girl that was killed on halloween. It’s almost a congratulations card…but also you found me, I can find YOU. Z probably did sit in that bar and watch avery…

This has degenerated into a ‘discussion’, I hesitate to use the term, about a POI, also hesitant.

If anyone has a ‘POI’ with the initials RH please mention it once and if you wish to explore that then please do so in the relevant section on the board and then link to it. If you can’t figure out where that might be or are unsure then ask someone. The original premise of this thread was that the letters ‘rh’ might not be a name. A little leeway is afforded of course as it’s a grey area but this has now drifted into thread-jack territory.

trav.

Ramona High year book 65, Ruth H Scuffway (I forget the last name). She’s the yearbook editor.

Actually, the worst case scenario, you go on to become an infamous serial killer, and a creepy little poem from years before, on the underside of a desk, found in storage,in a City 6 hours south, becomes your undoing

Heh – yes, or that.

I guess my main point is this: Whether it was Z or not, there’s a good chance the initials ARE his (or hers), because the likelihood of the poem being written by a serial killer as a serial killer, as a clew or a taunt – is slim to nil, IMO.
It was a teenage girl – or it was Z writing a poem as plain old (or young, rather) Rock Hudson.

If it’s a girl then it’s Ruth H Scuffway.

rh = Red Herring? A false clue like in a mystery novel?

Or…

Most assume the letters are meant to be initials. But if the writer intended to provide initials the usual way they would be rendered is RH.

What if the rh was meant to be a clue, a way of signing his name or identity?

R is the 18th letter and H is the 8th letter. So rh numerically is:

18 + 8. And 18 + 8 = 26. The 26th letter of the alphabet is Z.

The Bates killer already signed one letter with what looked like a Z. Could the " rh " be a simple way of numerically expressing another Z?

The killer is… Red Herring!!! From a pup named scooby doo!

Interesting point Grinnell,

We’ve always assumed the poem was written after CJB Murder. No date on it, so it very well could have been written before CJB. And even if Janitors do a cracker jack job at checking all sides of desks, that would still leave Aug, Sept, Oct when poem could have been written, and maybe that timing makes the poem and the killing of CJB more relevant. You know the Red Dress comment always is what made me convinced that it was Z who wrote that poem. Who else would attempt to inject their sick humor when speaking of murder? It just always has reminded me of something Z would write. And some tried to support it wasn’t Z who wrote the letter because no one in a red dress was found murdered. But if in fact Z wrote the poem before killing CJB, the red dress is meaningless, cause it was just Z’s sick humor at work.

I always assumed it was before her death…like I said maybe a girl was attacked and too scared to tell anyone after the the girl in 65 was murdered. Then when CJB is murdered she’s gone or fully silent, etc..?