Info I posted before, but thought I’d resurrect: About 1992-3, I ran across a greeting card on which the author did a considerable amount of printing. I’m no graphologist, but I swear to you, in all sincerity, that that printing was identical to that identified as Zodiac’s It shook me to the core, I’ll tell you! Unfortunately, I no longer have the card, or I would share it with you, and watch your jaws drop.
IMO, there is at least a reasonable possibility that Z was employed as an artist/author in the greeting card industry during the early Nineties. I don’t know how one could go about checking this out; if anyone does know, clue me in, please.

Info I posted before, but thought I’d resurrect: About 1992-3, I ran across a greeting card on which the author did a considerable amount of printing. I’m no graphologist, but I swear to you, in all sincerity, that that printing was identical to that identified as Zodiac’s It shook me to the core, I’ll tell you! Unfortunately, I no longer have the card, or I would share it with you, and watch your jaws drop.
IMO, there is at least a reasonable possibility that Z was employed as an artist/author in the greeting card industry during the early Nineties. I don’t know how one could go about checking this out; if anyone does know, clue me in, please.

I wouldn’t be surprised Dag if that was the case. I personally feel that Zodiac had some graphic abilities. That being said however it is not easy to decipher (excuse the pun) what comes before us. I have seen many things in print that, on the surface at least, looked like zodiac. I do however like to keep things around for a while so I can revisit them. First impressions are not always necessarily the right impressions. In the absence of the example you saw we can only speculate but I wanted to share that we have all had those moments.

The notion that Z had some connection with greetings cards however is not new. He did use them afterall and I believe that others have speculated on this in the past.

Interesting albeit it frustrating, eh?

Maybe the killer got nervous at first, thinking about his handwriting, so he typed it instead. The Bates had to die letter was sloppy and looked like a second grader wrote it. It was intentionally written sloppy.

It could be several reasons I can think of, as to why the letter was typed out instead of written. Lol, maybe the killer liked variety. There’s several things in the entire Zodiac case, that don’t go to reason to me. However, when you’re dealing with someone like this, does it really have to?

I do believe what’s written in the letter, is how it somewhat happened. If who killed Bates is the same killer as the Zodiac (and I believe it is), then he had to know her from the library. She had to trust and know him somewhat, in order to have walked down a dark alley with him. That just goes to reason. I can’t see a preppy girl from the 60’s just walk off with a complete stranger, confident he wasn’t upto something. So, it’s someone she knew. Someone she didn’t think was capable of killing her, and I believe the Zodiac was underestimated as a good guy in his time. That’s one of the reasons, this case has went on and on imo.

I’m off topic here, but I was about to post a new topic on the confession letter, and I seen this one. Similar to what I was going to post.

I noticed, in this case, not too many ppl talk about the confession letter that much.

So, it’s someone she knew. Someone she didn’t think was capable of killing her, and I believe the Zodiac was underestimated as a good guy in his time. That’s one of the reasons, this case has went on and on imo.

If you’re right, we pretty much know who Z was.

By "pretty much" I mean that he must necessarily belong to a very small category of people, relatively speaking.

Bates might also–actually, probably did–know her killer from a venue other than the RCC Library. Ramona High, say; or church; or the bank where she worked. Since libraries frown on chit-chat, the RCC Library seems an unlikely site to strike up an acquaintance.

This just my personal opinion- I think the zodiac killer and the killer of Cheri Jo Bates are two different people. The killer of Ms. Bates says she gave him the brush off in prior years. That makes me think he went to school with her between 1963 to 1966. She graduated high school in 1966 Ramona High in Riverside, California. So that might put the killers age between 17- 21. The zodiac killers with all of ciphers and planning seems to me to be a little older between 25-30. I could be very wrong about this I know. But I believe Cheri Jo Bates killer was more of a stalker. I feel like he knew she would be at the library. The murder was a frenzy killing-pent up rage- and he took it all out on her.
I would love to read her diary. She who freaked her out in High school. Or maybe some other of her friends diaries from back them. I would bet his name is in one of them.

tlj: I, too,would love to glom on to Cheri’s diary. Unfortunately, RPD would never allow that. But, I would like to know if anyone in her diary has the initials, "RH." I’m not asking for a name, understand; just if anyone in her diary has those initials.

This just my personal opinion- I think the zodiac killer and the killer of Cheri Jo Bates are two different people. The killer of Ms. Bates says she gave him the brush off in prior years. That makes me think he went to school with her between 1963 to 1966. She graduated high school in 1966 Ramona High in Riverside, California. So that might put the killers age between 17- 21. The zodiac killers with all of ciphers and planning seems to me to be a little older between 25-30. I could be very wrong about this I know. But I believe Cheri Jo Bates killer was more of a stalker. I feel like he knew she would be at the library. The murder was a frenzy killing-pent up rage- and he took it all out on her.
I would love to read her diary. She who freaked her out in High school. Or maybe some other of her friends diaries from back them. I would bet his name is in one of them.

I agree that this may not be Z but how do we account for the experts that stated that the writing on the desk was the real Zodiac, the one that wrote the letters to the Bay Area papers? So much of this seems crystal clear and at the same time, very confusing.

Thank you.

Moxy

This just my personal opinion- I think the zodiac killer and the killer of Cheri Jo Bates are two different people. The killer of Ms. Bates says she gave him the brush off in prior years. That makes me think he went to school with her between 1963 to 1966. She graduated high school in 1966 Ramona High in Riverside, California. So that might put the killers age between 17- 21. The zodiac killers with all of ciphers and planning seems to me to be a little older between 25-30. I could be very wrong about this I know. But I believe Cheri Jo Bates killer was more of a stalker. I feel like he knew she would be at the library. The murder was a frenzy killing-pent up rage- and he took it all out on her.
I would love to read her diary. She who freaked her out in High school. Or maybe some other of her friends diaries from back them. I would bet his name is in one of them.

I agree that this may not be Z but how do we account for the experts that stated that the writing on the desk was the real Zodiac, the one that wrote the letters to the Bay Area papers? So much of this seems crystal clear and at the same time, very confusing.

Thank you.

Moxy

Sherwood Morrill was the state’s top writing expert with years of Experience. He thought that the Riverside writing was Z’s,and the FBI analysis supported his findings. The letters,and content of the letters,including words,misspellings,etc,also fit with Zodiac. Yet somehow,there are a lot of people that oppose these findings,and I am not sure why. I think they want this case to be an even bigger mystery than it already is. We should be happy that this little piece of the mystery is solved.

I agree wholeheartedly, morf. I have no doubt that Zodia had ties to Cheri Bates, and Riverside. The problem, as I see it, is the obstinacy of the Riverside Police Department. They invested their collective ego in "Bob Barnett" being Cheri’s killer, and refuse to accept any alternative. Were we allowed access to RPD’s Bates Case info, I believe her murder, and those comprising the "Zodiac Canon", would be solved.

I agree wholeheartedly, morf. I have no doubt that Zodia had ties to Cheri Bates, and Riverside. The problem, as I see it, is the obstinacy of the Riverside Police Department. They invested their collective ego in "Bob Barnett" being Cheri’s killer, and refuse to accept any alternative. Were we allowed access to RPD’s Bates Case info, I believe her murder, and those comprising the "Zodiac Canon", would be solved.

You may be right,but we may never know

I agree wholeheartedly, morf. I have no doubt that Zodia had ties to Cheri Bates, and Riverside. The problem, as I see it, is the obstinacy of the Riverside Police Department. They invested their collective ego in "Bob Barnett" being Cheri’s killer, and refuse to accept any alternative. Were we allowed access to RPD’s Bates Case info, I believe her murder, and those comprising the "Zodiac Canon", would be solved.

I think the reason they went with "Barnett" initially is due to the severity of Cheri Jo Bates wounds, as well as, the confession letter. The wounds are too severe for this to have been a stranger attack. Wounds of this type brutality are usually inflicted by someone close to the victim. The confession letter compliments this.

To my understanding, "Barnett", was " relatively " cleared. I forget how now and maybe Tahoe will jump in and clear the air. He/she is pretty on top of fact. At some point Riverside was introduced to Zodiac. I think they bought into it then and would not be surprised if they are still into it now. I think they dismiss the Zodiac publicly because of the magnitude of who the Zodiac is.

Maybe wrong.

Soze

To my understanding, "Barnett", was " relatively " cleared. I forget how now Soze

They ran his DNA against the skin cells scraped from underneath Cheri Joe’s fingernails years ago. It didn’t match.

To my understanding, "Barnett", was " relatively " cleared. I forget how now Soze

They ran his DNA against the skin cells scraped from underneath Cheri Joe’s fingernails years ago. It didn’t match.

And they still refuse to look at any other possibilities very frustrating

To my understanding, "Barnett", was " relatively " cleared. I forget how now Soze

They ran his DNA against the skin cells scraped from underneath Cheri Joe’s fingernails years ago. It didn’t match.

And they still refuse to look at any other possibilities very frustrating

After Jeff’s posts, it appears they are willing to look at other possibilities…just not discuss them.