Yes,EV, that is exactly what I’m saying. I am trying to help. Really I am.
But, it will take a great deal more for one to just say it. I need to get
Pics to Sandy Bette!!! If her Recollection is still good. Then all hell
Will Break loose. But, there is still a great deal of work to be done.
As for my my desktop poem. It is a reflection of me. And, I have
Come to understand that I had to find myself. What a concept.
If I could get a p.o. Box # I will print the photos and submit them
In the mail. We will rock it old shcool if that is what it takes.
Just get me the information, and I will do the rest.
So you went to school at R.C.C.?
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Tigerdove9 wrote:
Please, don’t misunderstand me… But, rh means real hell.
I should know, I wrote it…Are you telling us that you are the writer of the desktop poem?
Tigerdove9 wrote:
Yes,EV, that is exactly what I’m saying. I am trying to help. Really I am.
But, it will take a great deal more for one to just say it. I need to get
Pics to Sandy Bette!!! If her Recollection is still good. Then all hell
Will Break loose. But, there is still a great deal of work to be done.
As for my my desktop poem. It is a reflection of me. And, I have
Come to understand that I had to find myself. What a concept.
If I could get a p.o. Box # I will print the photos and submit them
In the mail. We will rock it old shcool if that is what it takes.
Just get me the information, and I will do the rest.
Becky, you were seven years old in 1966, quit playing games!
Tigerdove9 wrote:
Please, don’t misunderstand me… But, rh means real hell.
I should know, I wrote it…Are you telling us that you are the writer of the desktop poem?
Tigerdove9 wrote:
Yes,EV, that is exactly what I’m saying. I am trying to help. Really I am.
But, it will take a great deal more for one to just say it. I need to get
Pics to Sandy Bette!!! If her Recollection is still good. Then all hell
Will Break loose. But, there is still a great deal of work to be done.
As for my my desktop poem. It is a reflection of me. And, I have
Come to understand that I had to find myself. What a concept.
If I could get a p.o. Box # I will print the photos and submit them
In the mail. We will rock it old shcool if that is what it takes.
Just get me the information, and I will do the rest.Becky, you were seven years old in 1966, quit playing games!
Calling her out. That’s why I love you Seagull, no drama, no BS….
Sort of spooked me there for a minute! 
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Nice try Tigerdove
HMPF PF HMZ ΦXℲPGƎ FԀZG/POR!
Okay…
🙄 Nice try Tigerdove
Posts like this are what makes me think I’m crazy for wasting any more of my time reading here or anywhere else about this case. I now skip most of the ones having to do with the cipher patterns as it is way over my head and seems totally pointless for those who understand such things since I can’t see where it’s leading.
Tigerdove9 wrote:
Please, don’t misunderstand me… But, rh means real hell.
I should know, I wrote it…Are you telling us that you are the writer of the desktop poem?
Tigerdove9 wrote:
Yes,EV, that is exactly what I’m saying. I am trying to help. Really I am.
But, it will take a great deal more for one to just say it. I need to get
Pics to Sandy Bette!!! If her Recollection is still good. Then all hell
Will Break loose. But, there is still a great deal of work to be done.
As for my my desktop poem. It is a reflection of me. And, I have
Come to understand that I had to find myself. What a concept.
If I could get a p.o. Box # I will print the photos and submit them
In the mail. We will rock it old shcool if that is what it takes.
Just get me the information, and I will do the rest.Becky, you were seven years old in 1966, quit playing games!
🙄 Nice try Tigerdove
Posts like this are what makes me think I’m crazy for wasting any more of my time reading here or anywhere else about this case. I now skip most of the ones having to do with the cipher patterns as it is way over my head and seems totally pointless for those who understand such things since I can’t see where it’s leading.
You do realize I was rolling my eyes, because as you can see…Seagull called out Tigerdove with playing games…acting like she was the one that wrote the desktop poem when Seagull pointed out clearly that she was only 7 years old at the time!
HMPF PF HMZ ΦXℲPGƎ FԀZG/POR!
This case brings out some nuts, and Tigerdove AKA SpookyPanda,was one of them. She had issues,agenda,etc.She’s gone for good now, so carry on
There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer
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My brain hasn’t been quite in this case for a while, but I do want to turn this thread around. I have toyed with writing, and always figured it would be under a pen name. To me, the handwriting is a good match, its creepy, so the rh may be just that- a pen name he (or she) thought looked cool, reminded them of someone, or, of course, be related to their real name but sound cooler (as my pen name would). Just food for thought.
My personal opinion on the poem- it was written to be discovered, but unknown when. Generally, things aren’t put even on the underside of a desk to remain hidden. Sooner or later, the person knows it will come out- particularly if its a flip top desk that gets sanded and refinished. If you don’t want it discovered, you don’t put it in a public place.
I guess that leaves us with who, when, and why? I do not see it as suicide. I see it as more of a haunting, a person who knows they are about to loose it and wants an end to it. They are conflicted, as can be the case in mental illness, knowing their actions are wrong but unable to stop them.
I asked this question in the RS thread- do we know why he was believed to be institutionalized in late 61? Maybe it was even written then?
I am also guessing the desk wasn’t in the open but up in the stacks, making it easier to write on, and an easy desk to get overlooked.
-m
The problem when solved will be simple– Kettering
Bumping in re recent discussion.
MODERATOR
The simple act of writing about his crimes is important. It is his mindset. The need to be heard and, most importantly, recognized. The Zodiac was no different.
Both killers had the press in mind:
Riverside killer wrote the Daily Enterprise. The Zodiac wrote the Vallejo Times Herald, the Chronicle, the Examiner and, the Los Angeles Times.
Both wanted the city to see everything they wrote:
Riverside killer stated "this letter should be published for all to read it" and the Zodiac stated "I want you to print this cipher on the frunt page of your paper" (7/69), "PS could you print this new cipher on your frunt page" (11/69), "must print in paper" (11/9/69), "tell everyone about the bus bomb with all the details" (4/28/70), "the reason that I’m writing to the Times is this, they don’t bury me on the back pages like some of the others" (3/71), and "PS if I do not see this note to in your paper i will do something nasty which you know I am capable of doing" (1/74). There are a couple of others but then you have to speculate as to whether or not he was the author.
Both killers described their acts of killing:
Riverside killer in his statement about the events that led up to killing Cheri (ddisabled car, waited for her in library, followed her out and offered to help) and in his statement of the act itself "I plunged the knife into her and it broke. I then ffinished the job by cutting her throat". The Zodiacs statement of the act itself was " when i fired the first shot at his head, he leaped backwards, at the same time thus spoiling my aim. He ended up on the back seat then the floor in back thrashing very violently with his legs; that’s how I shot him in the knee" and further tells us about how he left the scene after the attack "no squealing tires + racing engine, drove away quite slowly so as not to draw attention to his car).
Both killers alluded to more victims:
Riverside killer in his statement " she is not the first and she will not be the last" and the Zodiac and n his seemingly never ending count of 37+ and his mention of "my Riverside activity".
Both killers used circled dots on the letter " I":
Riverside killer used his on the confession letter envelope. The Zodiac used his on the Los Angeles Times envelope for 3/71.
Both killers use double postage.
Both killers abbreviate California on the envelope to Calif and both do so without the abbreviated period.
Soze
Some good points by Soze.
MODERATOR
Thank you.
Im certainly a fan (so to speak) of the Zodiac doing the riverside kill.
Soze
Suze (By the way, is your name pronounced SOOZ or SOOZIE?): A few years ago anyone suggesting the Bates killing was connected to Zodiac would have been hooted off the Internet. Now, this position has become respectable–progress, IMO. Conservation of resources suggests that activity should be concentrated on exposing Bates’ killer. Not only would this, in itself, be a worthy enterprise, but it might well result in revealing Zodiac.
