I think, to respect Quicktrader’s thread topic, I’ll start a thread discussing Cane’s potential residence etc in Kane’s own thread space. Anyone who wishes to contribute, or sould I say disagree completely lol, can come over and and discuss it. (Smithy, I am insisting you appear there to debate the issue because as we both agree, nothing inspires me more to argue a point than knowing that my antagonist is English (hehe).

What I find disturbing is the fact that pages for 10 letters in that Phonebook is MISSING!!!

This pages for this letters are missing:

B,I,L,N,Q,T,U,V,X,Y

WHY are they missing?

Would this necessarily be sinister, though?

Quick last update, this is quite relevant to the address book and it’s listing of ‘Dave Pond’.

I have just come across the thread I was referencing and I will copy that which is relevant to ‘ L Cane & D Pond directly below:

"The guy’s name was Dave Pond, and he certainly did live there around 1969; Sandy and I looked into that a bit several months back, but never came to any conclusions other than it might have been coincidence. Hines claims Kane lived at 217 Eddy Street in the "Clark Hotel," but we were not able to verify if he lived there at all. It was actually called the Clark Apartments, and it’s only 2 blocks from 455 Eddy, where there was an L.C. Cane who lived in apartment 1109 in 1965-66, then a Laurence V. Cave from 1966-74. If Kane really did live on Eddy Street, it had to have been at 455, since that was the only person with a name resembling Kane’s living within several blocks of that area in 1969. So, it turns out Pond and Kane lived only two floors apart, not two blocks.
That doesn’t mean that Kane isn’t guilty of committing any other crimes; I think he’s a very likely suspect in the Lass and Lull cases. I just don’t think he’s the Zodiac. "

Thanks Tahoe,

it would be interesting to write to all of those addresses to figure out if someone knows more..

Foreigner – amazing find with those missing pages, I’ll write Tom about it.

QT

What I find disturbing is the fact that pages for 10 letters in that Phonebook is MISSING!!!

This pages for this letters are missing:

B,I,L,N,Q,T,U,V,X,Y

WHY are they missing?

Would this necessarily be sinister, though?

No necessarily Nachtsider;)

I’m nowhere near convinced Darlene had any idea who her killer was. Maybe it’s just me.

I’m nowhere near convinced Darlene had any idea who her killer was. Maybe it’s just me.

Well there no way to prove either way of Dee knew her killer or not. But I’ve always wondered why she and Mike ended up at Blue Rock Springs when they were supposed to be out looking to purchase Fireworks. But they end up in a dark car park when Zodiac finds them. It is just as likely that Dee had been told, for whatever reasons only she knows, to go to BRS to meet someone. That maybe why she told Mike she wanted him to go with her much earlier, but Dee or a 3rd party couldn’t get hold of the person Dee wished to meet until fairly late, and that would explain why she showed up at Mikes and he left seemingly in a hurry to go with Dee. Mike’s version is that the killer came into the lot twice, the first time Mike says he (Killer) just seemed to watch them before leaving. Then returned several minutes later and opened fire. What if the first time the killer pulled in, he and Dee had an altercation and he sped off in anger at what she had just said. He drives a short distance to a house or location where his gun is and grabs it and heads back to BRS?

I’m nowhere near convinced Darlene had any idea who her killer was. Maybe it’s just me.

Well there no way to prove either way of Dee knew her killer or not. But I’ve always wondered why she and Mike ended up at Blue Rock Springs when they were supposed to be out looking to purchase Fireworks. But they end up in a dark car park when Zodiac finds them. It is just as likely that Dee had been told, for whatever reasons only she knows, to go to BRS to meet someone. That maybe why she told Mike she wanted him to go with her much earlier, but Dee or a 3rd party couldn’t get hold of the person Dee wished to meet until fairly late, and that would explain why she showed up at Mikes and he left seemingly in a hurry to go with Dee. Mike’s version is that the killer came into the lot twice, the first time Mike says he (Killer) just seemed to watch them before leaving. Then returned several minutes later and opened fire. What if the first time the killer pulled in, he and Dee had an altercation and he sped off in anger at what she had just said. He drives a short distance to a house or location where his gun is and grabs it and heads back to BRS?

Okay, if they went to meet someone out at BRS to buy pot or something, I’d wager it wasn’t some large amount. So, some drug dealer decided to start shooting customers for small amounts of money? Doesn’t seem plausible, but I guess one never knows. Well, maybe it was a jealous boyfriend? Maybe, but he sure went to a lot of trouble by killing other innocent people to cover it up. Possible, I suppose.

I think they probably went out there to make-out or score some weed. While they were busy or waiting on someone, Zodiac saw a car by itself, took the opportunity and did his thing. Just my opinion, but that seems more logical.

I’m nowhere near convinced Darlene had any idea who her killer was. Maybe it’s just me.

Well there no way to prove either way of Dee knew her killer or not. But I’ve always wondered why she and Mike ended up at Blue Rock Springs when they were supposed to be out looking to purchase Fireworks. But they end up in a dark car park when Zodiac finds them. It is just as likely that Dee had been told, for whatever reasons only she knows, to go to BRS to meet someone. That maybe why she told Mike she wanted him to go with her much earlier, but Dee or a 3rd party couldn’t get hold of the person Dee wished to meet until fairly late, and that would explain why she showed up at Mikes and he left seemingly in a hurry to go with Dee. Mike’s version is that the killer came into the lot twice, the first time Mike says he (Killer) just seemed to watch them before leaving. Then returned several minutes later and opened fire. What if the first time the killer pulled in, he and Dee had an altercation and he sped off in anger at what she had just said. He drives a short distance to a house or location where his gun is and grabs it and heads back to BRS?

Okay, if they went to meet someone out at BRS to buy pot or something, I’d wager it wasn’t some large amount. So, some drug dealer decided to start shooting customers for small amounts of money? Doesn’t seem plausible, but I guess one never knows. Well, maybe it was a jealous boyfriend? Maybe, but he sure went to a lot of trouble by killing other innocent people to cover it up. Possible, I suppose.

I think they probably went out there to make-out or score some weed. While they were busy or waiting on someone, Zodiac saw a car by itself, took the opportunity and did his thing. Just my opinion, but that seems more logical.

Well the dealer may have been infuriated by Darlene having bought Mageau along, that maybe why he first pulled in, observed Darlene for a short time, before leaving. Maybe he was trying to see who the second person in her vehicle was, and when he didn’t recognize him, sped away in absolute anger. Dealers don’t like to do deals when there are people present they do not know.
Or maybe it wasn’t drugs. Maybe, as the rumours have long persisted, Darlene had reason to fear a certain man because she knew something she shouldn’t and maybe that night she had had enough and arranged to meet this man to threaten that if he didn’t back off then she’d go to the law with what she knows, and this accounts for Mageau’s presence that night, hoping it would deter any violence or harm directed at her. This could be what Darlene said was important and needed to talk to Mike about?

Then there were the strange phone calls to Dee’s home shortly after the murder. I can’t accept that these calls were simply coincidence and were noting to do with Dee’s murder, but that is only my opinion. If it were the killer calling, how would he know Darlene’s home number? Even to look her number up in a phone book he’d need to know her name first.

Well the dealer may have been infuriated by Darlene having bought Mageau along, that maybe why he first pulled in, observed Darlene for a short time, before leaving. Maybe he was trying to see who the second person in her vehicle was, and when he didn’t recognize him, sped away in absolute anger. Dealers don’t like to do deals when there are people present they do not know.
Or maybe it wasn’t drugs. Maybe, as the rumours have long persisted, Darlene had reason to fear a certain man because she knew something she shouldn’t and maybe that night she had had enough and arranged to meet this man to threaten that if he didn’t back off then she’d go to the law with what she knows, and this accounts for Mageau’s presence that night, hoping it would deter any violence or harm directed at her. This could be what Darlene said was important and needed to talk to Mike about?

Then there were the strange phone calls to Dee’s home shortly after the murder. I can’t accept that these calls were simply coincidence and were noting to do with Dee’s murder, but that is only my opinion. If it were the killer calling, how would he know Darlene’s home number? Even to look her number up in a phone book he’d need to know her name first.

Unless someone convinces me that they were buying/selling pounds of weed out there (which rarely goes on at a park frequented by teenagers and cops), I’m just not going to buy the whole drug dealer shot their customer over a dime bag of weed. I’m not saying it’s impossible, of course, but I’m not buying.

If Darlene decided to go confront some crazy dude in a secluded area with the one of the smallest persons she could find (Mike), then she wasn’t very smart.

Here’s another thing. I’m not convinced that there were any mysterious phone calls to Darlene’s home. Not in the police report. Dean’s parents are in the police report as having received calls, but not Darlene’s family or home. I also don’t really have any reason to believe the whole "saw something she shouldn’t have". I don’t know if I should say this or not, but it seems someone in that family has an active imagination. Just my opinion, and not meant to ruffle feathers.

Well the dealer may have been infuriated by Darlene having bought Mageau along, that maybe why he first pulled in, observed Darlene for a short time, before leaving. Maybe he was trying to see who the second person in her vehicle was, and when he didn’t recognize him, sped away in absolute anger. Dealers don’t like to do deals when there are people present they do not know.
Or maybe it wasn’t drugs. Maybe, as the rumours have long persisted, Darlene had reason to fear a certain man because she knew something she shouldn’t and maybe that night she had had enough and arranged to meet this man to threaten that if he didn’t back off then she’d go to the law with what she knows, and this accounts for Mageau’s presence that night, hoping it would deter any violence or harm directed at her. This could be what Darlene said was important and needed to talk to Mike about?

Then there were the strange phone calls to Dee’s home shortly after the murder. I can’t accept that these calls were simply coincidence and were noting to do with Dee’s murder, but that is only my opinion. If it were the killer calling, how would he know Darlene’s home number? Even to look her number up in a phone book he’d need to know her name first.

Unless someone convinces me that they were buying/selling pounds of weed out there (which rarely goes on at a park frequented by teenagers and cops), I’m just not going to buy the whole drug dealer shot their customer over a dime bag of weed. I’m not saying it’s impossible, of course, but I’m not buying.

If Darlene decided to go confront some crazy dude in a secluded area with the one of the smallest persons she could find (Mike), then she wasn’t very smart.

Here’s another thing. I’m not convinced that there were any mysterious phone calls to Darlene’s home. Not in the police report. Dean’s parents are in the police report as having received calls, but not Darlene’s family or home. I also don’t really have any reason to believe the whole "saw something she shouldn’t have". I don’t know if I should say this or not, but it seems someone in that family has an active imagination. Just my opinion, and not meant to ruffle feathers.

I’m not saying any of the above is something likely to be true, nor am I saying I myself believe Darlene went there to confront someone for example. What I am saying is, until Zodiac’s name is known, we will never be able to say for sure either way whether Darlene knew her killer, or arranged to meet him, or it was just a matter of Darlene simply being a ‘wrong place at wrong time’ random victim.

And I was not suggesting that a drug dealer blasted Mike and Dee to pieces over a spliff, nor do I think they went there looking buy a large amount. Again, lets assume for the purpose of this scenario that we do know that Darlene arranged to meet someone out there, we still wouldn’t be any wiser as to why it happened. However, based on what we do know, there are reasons to suggests that Zodiac may not have happened upon Dee and mike by random chance out at BRS.

– The first Male victim of the spree was David Faraday, who was alleged to have threatened a male that if he didn’t leave Betty Lou alone, he’d give Law Enforcement details of a large drug deal that he knew this other male was involved in. The very night David was executed, and along the very road he was parked, a drug bust was in actually in the process of being carried out

-After the Lake Herman incident, where both victims are killed, the murderer does not call his crime in to LE, he does not contact the Chronicle, nor does he give us any indication as to who he is. Then, after he commits his next attack at BRS, in which a victim survives, do we see the emergence of ‘Zodiac’, the random psychopathic serial killer who craves attention so badly he will kill for it.

Then, 4 Months later, this man who appears absolutely obsessed with publicity and having the entire City know who he is and exactly what he’s responsible for doing, decides that he "shall no longer announce to anyone when I commit my murders" which is either him going from an absolute desire, need and compulsion to tell the State of California what murders he had committed and demended he be published in the Chronicle or else, to then doing a complete U-turn and appearing to not be interested in publicity anymore and in fact, no longer wants it known which murders are committed by him. It’s either that he really did just decide to give up the very thing that many people said was Zodiac’s motive for the crime, the publicity, or, he seemed able to walk away from the spotlight because he never really desired that in the first place but simply needed to appear as if this was what he enjoyed.

Again, just theories that I myself am not promoting as something I myself believe, but the fact is, unless we have Zodiac’s name and/or a confession by him somewhere detailing the why, the when, the how etc, we won’t ever know if Zodiac’s persona was created as a diversion so that it would appear the murders were the work of a killer who’s victims are selected at random, of whether Zodiac was just what he appeared at face value to be, a nut case running round killing at random.

I mean personally, I don’t really understand why a lot of people are so against the idea that Zodiac wasn’t a mad man randomly killing whoever he came across. People often point out "There is no evidence Zodiac knew any of his victims" which means nothing because I could say the same of the reverse… "There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that Zodiac’s victims were totally random". They may seem to us to appear random, but appearances can be deceptive. It’s the oldest trick in the magicians arsenal: Misdirection. Direct the audience attention to your right hand, while the real trick is performed in the Left, but nobody see’s it because as humans we can easily be manipulated without even being aware of it.

And I agree with you that I don’t believe, nor have I suggested, that the couple were shot at BRS over a $20 deal of weed. The drugs may have been the original reason for the two parties to meet, but any number of things could then have been responsible for the ‘Zodiac’ to open fire. Maybe the plan all along was to get Darlene out at BRS park, to lure her to her death on some false premise. That maybe the reason that when the man first pulled in he hesitated after seeing a second shape in the passenger seat and sat there wondering what to do now that Dee wasn’t alone, and sped away and decided to abandon the plan. Then, after a short drive, may have resolved that the two of them will just have to die and turned around and headed back toward BRS.
Darlene did say that something would happen that night and it would make the papers the next day, what did she mean by that?

This is the "Darlene’s address book" thread, PLEASE stay on topic.

Sorry, TF.

Apologies. Buck, if you want to continue a discussion about the issues we were starting to here, we can go here: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=423