I’ve never thought that any of the known victims knew Zodiac. I can’t see any evidence that suggest that Dee knew who Zodiac was. Seems to me that her family had a lot to do with this idea. I’ve always thought that Zodiac pulled in on the drivers side of the car to scope out how many people were in the vehicle. When he noticed that the male was in the passenger side then he left so he could park behind them or on the passenger side. My guess is that leaving to only came back were for 2 reasons. First, he could get his car in a different position (straighter path to the male victim) without the victims getting too suspicious. Secondly, he could make sure that no cars where in close proximity to the park.

If and when this case if ever solved, the only thing that could actually shock me is if evidence was uncovered that the killer ever knew the victims.

There’s also a chance – although I don’t fancy it much – that the first car was unrelated.

But what you say makes sense to me: He arrives, scopes out the scene, notes where the victims are seated – and comes back to do his thing. Strikes me very much as something Z would do.

As for DF’s "don’t worry about it" comment, well – it’s possible to interpret in all sorts of ways. As is MM’s bizarre multilayer attire and the fact that we don’t know precisely why the pair of them were in that parking lot to begin with. It all lends itself to speculation.

Personally I don’t think she knew the attacker – which makes the above (all the "suspicious" circumstances) largely irrelevant. Those circumstances have been blown a bit out of proportion over the years too – more and more details about DF’s personal life have been added and publicized, not necessarily by 100% credible sources/publishers.

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS. While I think Darlene and Z may have known each other, I don’t see any clear evidence of it

Post by morf13 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:46 pm

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS

And if true, potentially the best lead in the case.

Post by morf13 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:46 pm

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS

And if true, potentially the best lead in the case.

I agree it may be along with the Riverside connection, IF, Z was there in 66-67.(which I believe he was)

Post by morf13 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:46 pm

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS

And if true, potentially the best lead in the case.

Wier, you and I discussed this possibility via email. Maybe a thread about it would be worth making? Maybe we could figure out which streets would be likely around that area.(there may be a thread about this already, I forget). If Z went home, got his gun, and then got back about 5 minutes later, then Z would live within a certain range. If he went home to get his gun, I would think he likely sped to get back before his Victims left, so he could have covered more ground, but then again, a guy speeding down the roads of Vallejo that late at night might stand out or draw attention, so maybe he took his time.

We could lay out a map of a ‘target area’ for what roads and addresses would be within that range, then I would be happy to go back thru the criss cross directory I have for Vallejo 1969, and see who was living within these target areas.

Does anyone know, 100% sure , that Dean Ferrin was the biological father of Darlene’s daughter ?

It bothers me that there is NO marriage record to be found on Dean Ferrin and Darlene.
I have neither been able to find any info on when, where and how exactley they met, and where and what date they got married?

And the fact that Darlene was seeing several other men than her husband Dean, kind of have me thinking if someone else could have been the father of Darlene’s daughter.

And IF this claim was really true:
"According to her sisters, and other independent witnesses, Darlene was the object of what appeared to be, an infatuated older male."

and this:
"Darlene had made a cryptic remark just hours before she died, "You might read about me in the papers tomorrow." "

Here comes my, possibly far out, speculation:

Could Zodiac have been the father ???

And IF Zodiac had some kind of important/respectable position in socity, is it possible that Darlene was about to tell that this man was the father of her daughter?

And could that have been a motive for killing Darlene?

It has ben claimed that Darlene had seen this man kill someone, so maybe Darlene was about to reveal that this man was a killer, an adulterer and the father of her child, and that the man knew about it, maybe Darlene had demanded something from him which he had denied her, and she decided to expose him ?

I might question that too if their daughter didn’t look just like Dean, but that of course is just my perception.

But, it is one of the reasons I questioned "Gordon Arthur Spence" – he was dating Darlene and seemed to think she might be pregnant. See this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=78

I might question that too if their daughter didn’t look just like Dean, but that of course is just my perception.

But, it is one of the reasons I questioned "Gordon Arthur Spence" – he was dating Darlene and seemed to think she might be pregnant. See this thread:

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=78

Yes I know about Gordon Arthur Spencer, but Darlene and him met in December 1968, and Darlene’s daughter was born almost 1 year prior;
24 Jan 1968, so GAS could not have ben the father.

And yes Darlene’s daughter may very well look like Dean Ferrin, but she also look like a spitting image of one of my suspect’s daughters

I didn’t mean to imply Gordon was the father of Darlene’s daughter…just a possible pregnancy being motivation for her murder.

Since Darlene was actually married to Dean, I think it is more probable she looked like Dean rather than a potential suspect, but as we know with this case…anything is possible.

Unless one sees a copy of a DNA test, it will remain speculation.

I didn’t mean to imply Gordon was the father of Darlene’s daughter…just a possible pregnancy being motivation for her murder.

Since Darlene was actually married to Dean, I think it is more probable she looked like Dean rather than a potential suspect, but as we know with this case…anything is possible.

Unless one sees a copy of a DNA test, it will remain speculation.

I understand

"Don’t worry about it." Which is why I think Dee knew her killer. Was Dee killed by the zodiac? ,I have a feeling she wasn’t.

As I understand, DF worked at a restaurant in Vallejo. If so, is/was this restaurant near Mare Island?

The restaurant Dee worked at during the time she was murdered was about a few blocks from the California Maritime Academy, about a mile from the Carqueniz Bridge (heading toward SF), and approximately 5 miles to Mare Island.

There was a case in 67 or so in San Bernardino of a family of 4 killed… One of the suspects was a kitchen cook. His name was never revealed, but it was said he was watching the family from afar not long before the murders. Maybe there is a connection through a restaurant worker at Dee’s work stalking her. Who knows.

I believe her husband was like 25 and the Officer she was dating for a while was even older. Not sure why, IF she knew the person he couldn’t been just about any age.

She was a waitress. She may have known the guy if he was a Vallejo resident. She probably knew quite a few people by facial recognition by virtue of her job. If Zodiac is a Vallejo resident, he probably ate at every restaurant in Vallejo multiple times. Odds are that Darlene served him at least once. The real question is did the killer select her as a victim because of a personal connection or did he just happen onto her by coincidence. That seems impossible to determine at this point.

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS. While I think Darlene and Z may have known each other, I don’t see any clear evidence of it

If Z is hunting, why would he hunt without a gun? Whoever was at BRS at first might not be there when he got back. And, going home and coming back would allow him to potentially be spotted by more witnesses and/or neighbors. I think if he’s hunting victims, he’s hunting ready to rock and roll. As to whether he pulled in, left, and came back, who knows? He might have made a quick sweep around the area to see if there were any cars around. Or maybe he had a police scanner and there was some chatter near that area, prompting him to leave for a bit. It’s really hard to say. Of course, it’s equally possible that the first car wasn’t Zodiac. Leaving the park to get his gun is probably the last thing I would assume. Guns are easy to hide and police don’t have a reason to search a car for a mere traffic stop. I don’t think he would be concerned about a concealed weapon in a glove box or under a seat.