With Hoffman lurking around picking up shell casings…I don’t know what to think.

Well we know he shot a handful of times, and then came back again and shot some more. I would guess at least 12 shots.

Well, it’s got to have been 13 or more shots Mike, since that’s the number of wounds (?) – although if you’re thinking it was close enough that a t-a-t wound from Mike would have injured Darlene, yes it would.
And yes T., RH was picking up shell cases. And the wallet. And goodness knows what else. Question is, how many shell cases, darnit!?
I’m going to have to go through the 97 pages again today aren’t I?

Darlene was shot five times, Mike four. That would equal nine, unless of course some of Zodiac’s shots may have missed.

Nacht – you doubt the veracity of this autopsy report, pictured above?
Yes – the DOJ "Special Report" says she was shot five times.
One of them is in error, it seems.
I’m still looking for the number of shell cases which were recovered…..

Mr Smith! Sir! What is this I see before me??? Surely I am seeing things! You would never make a comment such as "Since The Zodiac didn’t tell us how many shots he fired at BRS (as he did at LHR), I’ve been trying to find that information."

Mr Smith, could it really be that by making such a remark that you are suggesting that you would believe Zodiac, take his word for it??? This is most confusing to me considering some of our past conversations in which i’m sure I recall you saying that anything he says cannot be trusted? And then I arrive here to see you write a comment in which you almost seem to appear rather upset with Zodiac for not giving a certain detail. Well Well, you of all people, Mr Smith! Hehe

I mean just imagine if Zodiac were browsing this forum himself now, and he sees that comment in which you appear to imply that He would be truthful and give an accurate No. of shots he fired, and that you trust him. Zodiac would be fuming if he knew you were speaking of him in such a nice way!

Zodiac will file a lawsuit against you Mr Smith for defamation of character if you are not careful. Defendant: Mr Smith.vs Plaintiff: Zodiac.

Hehe.

I think if you are trying to prove you are the killer, you would be as accurate and descriptive as possible.

If you are not the killer, you don’t have proof to offer so you write only what is known publicly. To offer something you could be completely wrong about would do much to help convince LE you were the guy.

I think if you are trying to prove you are the killer, you would be as accurate and descriptive as possible.
If you are not the killer, you don’t have proof to offer so you write only what is known publicly. To offer something you could be completely wrong about would do much to help convince LE you were the guy.

Soooo, true.

Mr Smith! Sir! What is this I see before me??? Surely I am seeing things! You would never make a comment such as "Since The Zodiac didn’t tell us how many shots he fired at BRS (as he did at LHR), I’ve been trying to find that information."

Damn. You’ve seen straight through my sarcasm to my ulterior motive.

But no! On this occasion I wasn’t subtley (ha!) pointing out the possibility of a lie or inconsistency, I was really looking for the information!
I’ve found it mentioned in the VTH of 6th July "He explained that nine 9mm cartridges were found near the car", so I suppose that will have to do for now, but finding the information in a police report would be nice.

‘Cos if there were thirteen bullet wounds and only nine cartridge cases, then there’s a little bit of an inconsistency.
Caused perhaps by Richard H. stuffing them into his pockets or something as Tahoe said.
Or something else.

Ah!

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … fullsize=1

1. Seven empty cases – 9mm and
8. Two empty cases – 9mm
equals nine empty cases, 9mm.

Yet the autopsy report on Darlene says nine gunshot wounds and the reports say Mike was wounded four times.
So that’s thirteen cases expected.

I would like to expression my consternation. Please help me I am drownding.

Weird. It starts off with 7 empty shell cases….and there are 7 bullets listed.

What is number 2?

And why lump the other two empty cases at the bottom separately?

Ah!

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … fullsize=1

1. Seven empty cases – 9mm and
8. Two empty cases – 9mm
equals nine empty cases, 9mm.

Yet the autopsy report on Darlene says nine gunshot wounds and the reports say Mike was wounded four times.
So that’s thirteen cases expected.

I would like to expression my consternation. Please help me I am drownding.

Some of the bullets could have passed thru Mike into Darlene,but then again, a 9mm or .22 are not an overly strong calibers,and many of the bullets do not penetrate or leave the body.

Yes…I read some did pass through Mike into Darlene. Ick.

Ick, yes.
The possibilty of "through-and-through" wounds I mentioned earlier as "t-a-t" (which sounds a little more bearable) does exist. A 9mm is quite close to a .38 in capacity, so we can think of it that way (much bigger than a .22).
How many of Mike’s four wounds, would we think might be t-a-t, though? Two perhaps?
That would mean only eleven shots fired and thus fewer shell cases missing.
It’s still a discrepancy though ain’t it. It’s odd.

Smithy since Mike and Darlene were shot at such close range it is entirely possible that bullets passed through Mike and into Darlene, hence the difference in the bullet wounds and casings found.